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Lockdowns were a mistake. They weren't properly planned or executed. Full scale lockdowns were never needed to curb it.
The problem with them is that you essentially have to stay in them until a vaccine or whatnot or you're gonna get flareups, even with test and trace. Now ideally, you ahve the numbers low enough you can put out embers before they fire way up, so there's validity there. That we have seen places use more targeted approaches and get it under control is example enough. With locking everything down so hard and fast the first time, we didn't and really still don't know what actually slows infections and what doesnt'. |
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We know that it's spread by humans. So, reducing human contact slows, and drops, the rate of infection. I really don't know how you can argue against that.
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And your point is completely valid. Unless you were prepared for an extreme lockdown until the virus was literally gone then you were doing nothing more than delaying the inevitable. It comes down to medical resources. If the hospitals are being flooded you shut things down. Otherwise you carry on cautiously. |
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08-10-2020, 09:06 AM | #42154 | |
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The WHO, the CDC, basically all argue that strict lockdowns across a broad area aren't to be used, local and strategic ones are. |
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Again, what caused the drop in cases after March?
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But it would have been more thoughtful to lock certain things down one by one and see what works. Thats hindsight, but it's what we're doing now. There has been **** ups on all sides and no one is blameless in this from a standpoint of leadership. |
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Now maybe thats changed ( I'm of the opinion that it helps, but isn't necessarily a magic bullet of any kind and it's probably marginally helpful). But we have nations that did strict lockdowns and got it way down who are now having issues. We have mask wearing nations and such who are now having outbreaks. My issue with doing anything that drastic is that if it's not feasible to keep doing, it's probably gonna be looked at not long term and while it will help, in the end, it's more of a delay. Which was the point the whole time. Not to completely suppress. That horse left the barn a long time ago. |
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I'm not arguing semantics with you this morning, I've got to much shit to do.
But yeah, human contact. Sustained or quick? For how long? Is it all aerosolized that causes the most infections? I don't think eliminating human contact for a substantial amount of time comes without downfalls. But I'm basically at the end of the line with arguing about it so whatever you guys think, have at it. |
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Since we did take the mitigation efforts we did, we don't know what would have happened without it. We have the death estimates, and I wouldn't have liked to see those come to fruition. If you differ, so be it. We'll just disagree.
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They also have been misconstrued as doing nothing (Sweden that is) and thats not the case. They basically did what we're doing now and have had success with it, so hopefully thats where we'll be in a month or so. |
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