***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Pants]

Surgical masks ALL DAY ERR DAY

[tooge]

Originally Posted by Donger

Yes, I do. On a conference call with a client right now.

"Huh, what? Uh, yeah, sorry. I was arguing with someone on Chiefsplanet. What can I help you with again?"

[Pants]

Originally Posted by tooge

"Huh, what? Uh, yeah, sorry. I was arguing with someone on Chiefsplanet. What can I help you with again?"

[Donger]

Originally Posted by tooge

"Huh, what? Uh, yeah, sorry. I was arguing with someone on Chiefsplanet. What can I help you with again?"

Heh. No, it was a PM call. Not my deal. I was just listening to make sure the engineers didn't propose anything stupid.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yeah, not sure what that's about. It could just be explained by error (which is what the bars represent).

I didn't read the methodology, but in theory maybe people are more cautious with nothing than they are when wearing a fleece mask?

Regardless, I wouldn't read much into it beyond "fleece isn't good."

I just bought a Mahomes fleece mask the other day. Oh well.

The neck fleece used as a mask was actually worse than no mask at all because the droplets were broken down by the fleece and actually spread more.

[petegz28]

So here is some data I choose to interpret as we are getting better at treating this thing...

The top 3 states in cases still have a combined death count of 5,500ish less than NY who is #4 in cases overall.

CA, FL & TX have almost 4 times as many cases and only 2/3 of the death of NY alone.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by Pants

Surgical masks ALL DAY ERR DAY

If you can find them I would use a surgical mask over cloth ones .

[Discuss Thrower]

"Wrong person, place and time: viral load and contact network structure predict SARS-CoV-2 transmission and super-spreading events"

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by Monticore

If you can find them I would use a surgical mask over cloth ones .

They're actually more comfortable, too, IMO. They seem a bit more breathable even though they do a good job of filtering droplets.

Guess there's a reason they use them for surgery...

[Donger]

Has anyone come across any reports of specific commercial aircraft spread events? I haven't seen a single one.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

"Wrong person, place and time: viral load and contact network structure predict SARS-CoV-2 transmission and super-spreading events"

Crazy stuff read it yesterday

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by DaFace

Yeah, not sure what that's about. It could just be explained by error (which is what the bars represent).

I didn't read the methodology, but in theory maybe people are more cautious with nothing than they are when wearing a fleece mask?

Regardless, I wouldn't read much into it beyond "fleece isn't good."

If the material looks like it would trap/hold moisture it probably isn’t very good , I was not a big fan of cloth or bandanas because they seemed to accumulate moisture from your own breathing g much faster than surgical which lose some effectiveness after few hours , but fleece seems like a very poor choice for keeping something like moisture away .

The mask with which would be easier to suck a beer through is probably the worse when it comes to protection.

[DaFace]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Why do you leave deaths out? Currently there is 715K+ dead. In the end there will probably be more than a million dead worldwide with the US leading the way.

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I'm not the one making the graphic on Worldometer.

And even so what % of the global population would that be? I'll help, .009%.

Fun fact that occurred to me when reading the news today:

The percentage of Lebanon's population that was killed in the explosion last week is...

0.00003% (220/6.849 million)

Based on Marcellus's logic, I'm not sure what the fuss is about.

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Discuss Thrower

"Wrong person, place and time: viral load and contact network structure predict SARS-CoV-2 transmission and super-spreading events"

What part did you find interesting?

[F150]

The difference between N95 and KN95 masks https://t.co/IikgovUUi4 @MorningsMaria @FoxBusiness

— Maria Bartiromo (@MariaBartiromo) August 10, 2020