How does Dwayne Bowe rank among the elite WR's?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Sorry, didn't want this getting overlooked in the other thread. Then again, people will probably ignore it anyway - I know some of you will appreciate this.


I keep seeing people say that Dwayne Bowe isn't an elite WR. So I decided to do some research to see how he matches up statistically over his 5 years in the league.

What I found, is that statistically, Bowe is the 10th best WR of the last 5 years.

I found 9 other WR's that either had better yardage totals, better TD numbers or both. He was 10th in yardage, tied for 6th in TD's.

Here's the list. (Yardage/TD's) Bolded players have fewer or same TD's as Bowe.


Larry Fitzgerald - 6480/49

Roddy White - 6422/42

Reggie Wayne - 6234/36

Wes Welker - 6105/31

Calvin Johnson - 5872/49

Andre Johnson - 5703/35

Greg Jennings - 5539/46

Steve Smith - 5353/29

Marques Colston - 5202/40

Dwayne Bowe - 4927/36


Personally, I think that's impressive on its own.

Especially when you consider the only guy on this list who is younger is Megatron. I'd be curious to see how he matches up to the same players during each of their first 5 seasons.

Anyway, when you compare Bowe's number's to the #1 yardage and #1 TD's - he's not nearly as far off as it seems.

It comes down to 19.41 yard a game, and .16 TD's per game.

Factor in that Bowe is missing something the other 9 have - solid QB play.

After looking at this, its hard for me to say Dwayne Bowe is NOT an elite WR, considering how his numbers match up to the "elite" and never having the benefit of decent QB play.

I'm pretty confident in saying that with solid QB play, Bowe would easily make up 19.41 yards and .16 TD's a game.

Like him or not, he's an elite WR - and has shown it over his 5 years in the league.

Dude deserved elite money.

Or, tl;dr - **** him.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Threw more in 2011 than 2010

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by aturnis

How many times was Bowe targeted? How does that compare to elite receivers?

I wonder if he was ever open? Did people at the game repeatedly post about this?

So it's his fault.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

What is the amount of guaranteed dollars you think would be OK for Bowe? At this point, you seem to be trolling and nothing else.

I've already answered. I'd give him 8 years 100 million 35 guaranteed, no problem. That's not likely what he's asking for. I'd prefer a 5 or 6 year deal though.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Threw more in 2011 than 2010

Barely. With worse QBs.

FYI, Bowe's game logs from last season are interesting. Quick math:

Cassel starts: 73.6 YPG, .44 TDPG
Palko starts: 68.5 YPG, 0 TDPG
Orton starts: 89 YPG, .4 TDPG (based on 2.5 games)

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I wonder if he was ever open? Did people at the game repeatedly post about this?

So it's his fault.

Bowe had the ball come his way PLENTY. Yes, he was missed a few times, every receiver is, it's what he did do when the ball DID come his way.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by aturnis

How many times was Bowe targeted? How does that compare to elite receivers?

He was targeted 21 fewer times than Fitz and Megatron. 45 fewer times than Roddy White.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by aturnis

I've already answered. I'd give him 8 years 100 million 35 guaranteed, no problem. That's not likely what he's asking for. I'd prefer a 5 or 6 year deal though.

What difference does it make if it is 8 years or 5 years?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by aturnis

I've already answered. I'd give him 8 years 100 million 35 guaranteed, no problem. That's not likely what he's asking for. I'd prefer a 5 or 6 year deal though.

So you're arguing why? 35? 40? What's the difference?

This is on Pioli to get the deal done.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

What difference does it make if it is 8 years or 5 years?

8 would be better, actually, as it would save the organization money.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Toad King

Barely. With worse QBs.

FYI, Bowe's game logs from last season are interesting. Quick math:

Cassel starts: 73.6 YPG, .44 TDPG
Palko starts: 68.5 YPG, 0 TDPG
Orton starts: 89 YPG, .4 TDPG (based on 2.5 games)

Ooooh, I like that. Injuries aren't an excuse though. Ask Pioli and Baldwin.

[philfree]

Bowe knows 2013 free agency?

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As the deadline for franchise-tagged players to sign a multi-year deal approached on Monday afternoon, it didn't appear as though such an agreement would take place between the Kansas City Chiefs and WR Dwayne Bowe, in spite of the LSU product's excellent production in recent campaigns. One potential hang-up -- according to ESPN NFL Insider Adam Schefter's explanation during his Tuesday appearance on "Mike and Mike in the Morning" -- was the simple fact that the market for WRs has gotten so pricey that the Chiefs didn't want to commit that much to Bowe. Deals for players like Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, Vincent Jackson and others has made it more difficult for teams looking to re-sign their own. (The Pittsburgh Steelers have an idea of this reality, as well, given their situation with Mike Wallace).

So after Bowe plays out the 2012 season on the one-year franchise tender, what's next? As noted Monday, the Chiefs can tag him again, though this would cost them around $11.4 million for 2013, and they wouldn't be able to use it on OT Branden Albert or DL Glenn Dorsey, as noted by Kent Babb of the Kansas City Star. They can also attempt to negotiate a multi-year deal again -- though it seems less likely that they'd sign one next offseason after failing to do so this offseason. The third possibility is that Bowe will hit unrestricted free agency.

The 2013 free agent WR market is shaping up to be a good one, with Bowe, Wes Welker, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace and Victor Cruz (RFA) all without deals.
- Tim Kavanagh
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Well if we lose Bowe after this year maybe we'll sign one of the other FAs in 2013. For this year Bowe will play under the the tag and he'll probably play well. This is what fanchise tag is for and it's all fair and not uncommon. The Pats, The Pack, Steelers and Giants are all in the same boat and doing the same thing.

[Hammock Parties]

I wonder which receiver has the best combination of production, age and size on that list.

Hmmm.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

So you're arguing why? 35? 40? What's the difference?

This is on Pioli to get the deal done.

Bowe wants in the vicinity of Fitz's/Megatron money!

Vicinity, that's AT LEAST 110 million, and that's low balling. Not to mention inflation.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Bowe wants in the vicinity of Fitz's/Megatron money!

Vicinity, that's AT LEAST 110 million, and that's low balling. Not to mention inflation.

Inflation. .

Fitz and Megatron aren't going to see $100M+. You realize that, right? It doesn't seem that way.

[O.city]

So would you guarantee Bowe the same amount Fitz got?