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Old 07-09-2016, 09:18 AM  
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:56 AM   #421
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It isn't a mirage, it just isn't a hard cap.

There's no way to simply disregard the cap. You can't buy your way out of it. At best, all you can do is push the hurt down the road and pray that the deals you sign never go sideways on you.

The cap exists and it will absolutely serve to **** teams something awful if they operate with the mentality that it doesn't matter. If you have a lot of good, young players, you can't treat the cap with impunity because sooner or later those backloads will all come due at the same time and for guys that are still young enough to produce.
Oh, I remember the late 90's for the Chiefs when that very thing happened here. We didn't get skull****ed like Dallas did, but we felt it sure enough.

And you're right - we can't just wave our dicks at the cap and laugh. All I was trying to say that it WAS doable, but they would have to tread carefully going forward.
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:56 AM   #422
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Negotiating ploy? But by who - the agent or the team?
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Old 07-15-2016, 11:56 AM   #423
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I'd give him a 5 year deal worth $11 million a season. That's the max.
He would probably take that. We must have offered less that 30 guranteed.
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:00 PM   #424
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Still don't understand why they didn't bother to restructure Smith when it's obvious he's the unquestioned starter for the next four seasons.
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:02 PM   #425
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Oh, I remember the late 90's for the Chiefs when that very thing happened here. We didn't get skull****ed like Dallas did, but we felt it sure enough.

And you're right - we can't just wave our dicks at the cap and laugh. All I was trying to say that it WAS doable, but they would have to tread carefully going forward.
My worry is that Kelce, Maclin, Smith and Houston are all on long-term deals that are both expensive AND not necessarily deals you can or would want to escape. Then you have Berry, Poe, Fisher and maybe Howard coming up behind it.

At some point, you actually DO run out of rope. Keeping all these guys next year, even if we really really wanted to, seems like it's outside of the realm of possibility. We're already over next year's cap and that's without figures for Berry or Poe in there. It's also with very little in the way of clearable cap space. Charles, Colquitt and Mauga are the only places to find a decent amount of cap space to clear.
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:06 PM   #426
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Still don't understand why they didn't bother to restructure Smith when it's obvious he's the unquestioned starter for the next four seasons.
To ask the question is to answer it.

It doesn't appear that 'obvious' to the folks running the show.
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To ask the question is to answer it.

It doesn't appear that 'obvious' to the folks running the show.
Exactly what I was going to say.
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Old 07-15-2016, 12:08 PM   #428
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We can easily afford Berry. He's only $11 million average.

we need to go to expendable players like JC and Colquitt and tell them to restructure to help us win or go get your $$ elsewhere.

If Berry doesn't take a $11 million/yr $29+million gauranteed, then Dorsey needs to slip that out to the media for PR purposes. Not now obviously, but in a year if Berry signs somewhere else.
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We can easily afford Berry. He's only $11 million average.

we need to go to expendable players like JC and Colquitt and tell them to restructure to help us win or go get your $$ elsewhere.

If Berry doesn't take a $11 million/yr $29+million gauranteed, then Dorsey needs to slip that out to the media for PR purposes. Not now obviously, but in a year if Berry signs somewhere else.
Well that's the thing - if the Chiefs won't or can't get a deal done for Berry, they're going to eat shit in the court of public opinion - not just here in KC but on a national level - for not getting a crowd favorite and team captain signed, but a cancer survivor, comeback player, all-pro.... I'm relatively sure Berry's agent is aware of this.
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We can easily afford Berry. He's only $11 million average.

we need to go to expendable players like JC and Colquitt and tell them to restructure to help us win or go get your $$ elsewhere.

If Berry doesn't take a $11 million/yr $29+million gauranteed, then Dorsey needs to slip that out to the media for PR purposes. Not now obviously, but in a year if Berry signs somewhere else.
Oh....it's easy, eh?

So let's say he has a cap hit at $11 million next year. It's not realistic to expect much better than that if the AAV is in that ballpark and you're guaranteeing $25-30 million over 5 years. So that only takes us from presently being $8 million over to $19 million over in 2017 - eh, pocket change, right?

Just cut Charles, Colquitt and Mauga - done...oh wait, that only clears $14 million. So we're still $5 million over AND we haven't paid Poe. Oh, and we haven't paid for draft picks either. If we're lucky we can get Fisher bought out of his 5th year option but he's still holding some leverage there. If you sign him long-term, he's probably still holding a $5 million cap hit next season. That shaves off just enough to keep Berry and probably make us legal after draft picks, but doesn't leave enough for Poe.

Stop being idiots about this. No, not one single thing about this will be 'easy'. If you re-sign Berry, it's damn sure going to come at a cost. At best, you can get a few older players to restructure now in exchange for guaranteeing them money we wouldn't have wanted to pay them in their decline years, thus hamstringing future flexibility when it comes time to get Smith's replacement or extend Peters. The bill WILL be paid. It's always paid.
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Does Von Miller signing help or hurt the chances of this deal with Berry getting done?
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Does Von Miller signing help or hurt the chances of this deal with Berry getting done?
Neither, IMO.
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I don't think the Von Miller signing will have anything to do with it. I thought the Earl Thomas deal was supposed to set the market for safeties.
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Does Von Miller signing help or hurt the chances of this deal with Berry getting done?
Doesn't effect it whatsoever.
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