Chiefs Sign WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling

[Dante84]

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The #Chiefs are signing former #Packers WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling to a three-year, $30 million deal with $18 million in the first two years and incentives to reach a maximum of $36 million, his agents @NSAFootball tell @RapSheet and me. ����

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[TEX]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

I honestly think Khalil Shakir is going to be better than MVS and quickly.

One 2nd round pick and CHEAP for 4 years.




Now again, I am not saying this is the end of the world. We won a Superbowl with Clark overpaid and Hitchens bad contract.

And this one looks like it is 2 years essentially so the reasoning inside the building might be let's just get guys now until we restock with draft picks.

Still don't like the $$$$.

Apparently, there was some kind of bidding war. That may have been discussed earlier in the thread, I didn't read it all.

[TwistedChief]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath15

The next "cheaper JAG" would have been just keeping Pringle, and it saves you a whopping $3M.

That $3M isn't keeping us from signing anyone, and we've improved/gotten younger at the WR position.

Yup. Our constraint is no longer the cap. It's player availability.

[TEX]

Originally Posted by wazu

Then he’s a more expensive version of Hardman rather than Pringle or D-Rob. I actually would consider him a small upgrade over Hardman. I feel like the Chiefs have done nothing but whiff at the WR position outside of Tyreek for almost all of Andy’s tenure. Tyreek was the exception that made it all okay. MVS is a guy I’ve watched a lot and really felt like he sucked. So seeing him get paid a veteran deal and be hyped as part of the answer is not real encouraging 2 days after losing Tyreek.

Completely agree. People don't realize the point you made about missing on WR's. We'll just have to see how it all plays out. Regardless, IMO it's too much $$$.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

MVS will be helpful, but he’s not Tyreek. Only Reek is Reek. That said, some are acting like him leaving is a death sentence for the Chiefs offense. Sure, they may not be as ‘dynamic’ as they once were, but people do realize that Pat is 4-1 in his career in games Reek didn’t play in, right?

The only loss being that crapfest against Indy in 2019 on a Sunday night where the whole WR core was injured, half that O-Line was out and his dumbass tackle (Erving, I believe) stepped on his ankle during the game injuring him.

That was the ONLY loss for Pat without Reek. Other than that, 4 wins in 4 games for the other for with the Chiefs offense averaging 30 points a game and Pat averaging 300 yards passing a game. 3 on the road, one against Baltimore at home during their best season (Lamar’s MVP year).

The offense WILL be fine without Reek because Pat IS that guy.

Besides maybe one playmaking WR in the draft, the Chiefs need to spend these newfound riches (money and draft capital) on DEFENSE, DEFENSE and more DEFENSE.

Offense will be fine. Andy Reid is the coach. Pat Mahomes is the QB. People need to quit freaking out.

[JPH83]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

MVS will be helpful, but he’s not Tyreek. Only Reek is Reek. That said, some are acting like him leaving is a death sentence for the Chiefs offense. Sure, they may not be as ‘dynamic’ as they once were, but people do realize that Pat is 4-1 in his career in games Reek didn’t play in, right?

The only loss being that crapfest against Indy in 2019 on a Sunday night where the whole WR core was injured, half that O-Line was out and his dumbass tackle (Erving, I believe) stepped on his ankle during the game injuring him.

That was the ONLY loss for Pat without Reek. Other than that, 4 wins in 4 games for the other for with the Chiefs offense averaging 30 points a game and Pat averaging 300 yards passing a game. 3 on the road, one against Baltimore at home during their best season (Lamar’s MVP year).

The offense WILL be fine without Reek because Pat IS that guy.

Besides maybe one playmaking WR in the draft, the Chiefs need to spend these newfound riches (money and draft capital) on DEFENSE, DEFENSE and more DEFENSE.

Offense will be fine. Andy Reid is the coach. Pat Mahomes is the QB. People need to quit freaking out.

Offence will be fine, it's just whether fine is enough. People are desperate for the defence to be bolstered and I agree the personnel aren't great and a functioning DL should improve the team a lot - but for the second half of the season they weren't that bad. We didn't lose to the Bengals because of the defence, but because the offence sh*t the bed.

Obviously the argument could then be that the offence was also due an overhaul and to become less reliant on Reek - maybe that's fair. But I think a lot of people saw the preferable outcome as bringing in someone in the draft to complement him, rather than go WR by committee.

It could all work out great but it's undoubtedly a gamble for this year and the people convincing themselves they're ecstatic about Hill going are full of it.

[Hoover]

I have full faith in Andy Reid.

Patrick is going to get his stats, I expect him to put up similar yards and TDs. We will miss Hill, but I'll put money that we have a 80 catch, 1100 yard wr on this team. I also wouldn't be shocked to see that guy get 9 TDs. That is what Tyreek has averaged over the past 6 seasons. It's just going to be different, because that person is not Tyreek Hill.

What I'm more worried about is replacing a guy that was as passionate and driven as Mahomes is. Dude was our spark pug every season we was here. That's what will be difficult to replace.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by TwistedChief

I'm just messing around. There's a very plausible world where Mahomes is genuinely a product of Tyreek Hill and might be exposed without him - that's the Keenan Allen version. Support for that argument would include the fact that Alex Smith was one of the best deep ball QBs in 2017 despite being Alex Smith. I honestly think this is a possibility we all need to be ready for.

But there's also the version where Mahomes is as good as we think and can elevate the WRs on the team. Give him 4 competent options and he feasts in a comparable way to Hill/Kelce/JAG-/JAG--. Clearly the Chiefs are working toward this vision and it makes a lot of sense as they have the ability to fill gaps elsewhere.

If I'm being honest, I probably lean toward the former until proven otherwise just because I like to set my expectations low. I think Hill papered over so many things that we can't really appreciate. But at the same time, I don't think retaining him was an option for good team building so I'm excited to see Plan B as I think that gives us a better chance for more sustainable success.

Dude I was thinking the very first thing you said the other day. I was high and was like holy shit, what if Hill made Mahomes look much better than he is and he was just the perfect WR for him. I dismissed it because I was high.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Titty Meat

Nobody on the board has brought up "catch rate" regarding a player before. It's like people who don't like the signing have to dig for something to justify not liking the signing

I brought up catch rate in regards to Josh Gordon, when everyone was talking about him saving the offense and being our number 2.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

you guys, man. smh

Is it against the rules to bitch about a stupid signing? It's better than homering the **** out of everything Veach does. Like Staylor.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Is it against the rules to bitch about a stupid signing? It's better than homering the **** out of everything Veach does. Like Staylor.

Show me where in this thread that I’ve “homered of the ****” out of this signing. I’ll wait.

I’m not even a huge fan of it.

So ****ing full of shit.

[dlphg9]

Originally Posted by RaidersOftheCellar

It’s a relatively small sample, but the offense didn’t exactly collapse without Hill in the past. I think they averaged around 30 ppg without him in four games in ‘19. Mahomes threw for a ton of yards. In the Pitt game this season, they were basically minus Hill AND Kelce and still scored at will.

The way that teams defend the Chiefs now, they rarely burn defenses over the top anyway. In theory, this seems like a potentially great signing. A tall speedster on the verge of breaking out. I love Hill, but he’s a midget. It will be nice to have receivers that can catch 50/50 balls for once.

But they need to add either a solid vet or an explosive talent from the draft.

Lmao, did you ever even watch Hill? That guy got 50/50 balls all the ****ing time.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by dlphg9

Is it against the rules to bitch about a stupid signing? It's better than homering the **** out of everything Veach does. Like Staylor.

No, it's against common sense to bitch about every ****ing thing always.

It's against the rules (or should be) of being an adult to throw emotional hissy fits every time something goes anything other than perfect.

It's against the rules to make a bunch of false equivalencies and perpetuate untruths and cry like little ****ing girls all of the time.

This guy ain't Tyreek, ain't expected to BE Tyreek, and isn't being paid anywhere near Tyreek.

If we put a stable of quality NFL receivers together, this offense will hum right along, because three or four GOOD players are better than ONE great player, and for the last two years we've had Tyreek, then a big drop-off to a decent Hardman, and then scrubs.

Juju, MVS, Hardman, plus most likely a high pick will be collectively better than we've had at the position since we won the SB.

Not paying Tyreek the most in the NFL was the only responsible move Veach had, and he got a haul in return. There really was NO responsible alternative, so quit your cryin'.

It's going to be fine.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

We passed on DK, McLaurin, and Diontae for Hardman. Now we hand out a huge contract to a #3 WR.

So $3 million more than the Pringle contract is a huge contract now?

[jd1020]

Whoever the pick is, I hope it's someone that can operate in the RZ.

This signing just feels like a knee jerk reaction to losing a speed threat, but we still had Hardman.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

So $3 million more than the Pringle contract is a huge contract now?

These guys haven't been paying attention to what contracts are these days.