Geno Smith vs Alex Smith - It's on.

[Hammock Parties]

It's on now. Geno Smith is probably going to be starting for the Jets this season.

Alex Smith will be the Chiefs QB for the forseeable future. If he's a success, we'll probably get five good years out of him.

So who's gonna win more NFL games over that time period?

Put your ten pounders on the table and make a vote

Alex: 11 wins
Geno: 8 wins

[Hammock Parties]

It's 100 percent clear now that Geno Smith was obviously a first-round talent, who was passed over only because of the post-RGIII/Luck draft climate.

He's as good a prospect as guys like Ryan Tannehill and EJ Manuel were.

By the way, how is Manuel doing? He actually makes Alex look good.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

You're right.

The Chiefs had a third down, Alex couldn't convert it and ran for 2 yards, and a questionable penalty gifted the Chiefs with a first down, leading to the winning score.

The Jets had a SECOND down, Geno ran for TEN yards, resulting in a FIRST DOWN. There were still 7 seconds left on the clock, but a COMPLETELY LEGIT penalty led to the winning score.

Geno's play was BETTER than Alex's and the penalty was LEGIT.

Now lean forward and CHOKE yourself.

BTW, by gift I meant that the TB player was a moron for hitting Geno (obviously) late, which allowed them to be in FG position.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Look, I don't really care either way. You guys wanted Geno. Hell, I said I wanted him, too. But it is obvious to me that there was a reason every single NFL team passed on him. And you guys want to overlook facts just to suit your agenda. That's fine, but it really doesn't help your argument. Now, while you're looking at all these stats for QBs perhaps you should check turnovers.

so we won't ever find you rooting for UDFA Bray, right?

because the entire nfl refused to draft him, so it is settled forever that he can't be any good...

it's hilarious that a QB 'falling' all the way to the 39th pick is now evidence of some mortal failing..."oh no, he was a high second draft pick, he can't be good!"

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Are you too stupid to recognize the difference in these 2 scenarios?

There's very little difference.

If the Chiefs don't get that penalty, the Titans get the ball back and could have easily run the clock out considering how the game was going at that point. All momentum was on their side.

If the Jets don't get that penalty, they probably lose, too.

But you dumbasses are DONE criticizing Geno for a "gift penalty," because the one Alex "drew" was an even BIGGER gift.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

It's 100 percent clear now that Geno Smith was obviously a first-round talent, who was passed over only because of the post-RGIII/Luck draft climate.

He's as good a prospect as guys like Ryan Tannehill and EJ Manuel were.

By the way, how is Manuel doing? He actually makes Alex look good.

Time will tell. You may be right. I certainly not discounting that possibility. It doesn't matter to me now, though, since he isn't the Chiefs QB. My only concern is how well Alex Smith does for us. If he proves that he can get us to the playoffs AND WIN in the playoffs then I'll be happy. If not well.....

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

There's very little difference.

If the Chiefs don't get that penalty, the Titans get the ball back and could have easily run the clock out considering how the game was going at that point. All momentum was on their side.

If the Jets don't get that penalty, they probably lose, too.

But you dumbasses are DONE criticizing Geno for a "gift penalty," because the one Alex "drew" was an even BIGGER gift.

Quite a stretch of logic there.

[BossChief]

What Geno is doing with the dogshit situation and talent around him is remarkable.

It's gonna be fun to follow his career to see how he does as they add talent around him.

Also:

Geno > Cam

[saphojunkie]

I prefer to think of it like this... Alex is playing as well as Geno is. And for two seconds instead of a first overall!

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

But you dumbasses are DONE criticizing Geno for a "gift penalty," because the one Alex "drew" was an even BIGGER gift.

Uhm... how was it a bigger gift? If Geno doesn't get that flag, the game is over. KC's game was not over. In fact, the KC offense still had to finish out the 10 play drive and score a TD.. not a FG.. a TD.

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead
It's 100 percent clear now that Geno Smith was obviously a first-round talent

100% clear now, huh? So after being good against a horrific defense, it's clear? Oh boy... you have got to wash your face, mouth, and eyes out from all that Choco-bukkake.

[Lzen]

Originally Posted by the Talking Can

so we won't ever find you rooting for UDFA Bray, right?

because the entire nfl refused to draft him, so it is settled forever that he can't be any good...

it's hilarious that a QB 'falling' all the way to the 39th pick is now evidence of some mortal failing..."oh no, he was a high second draft pick, he can't be good!"

Didn't say that. But you guys hitching your wagon to Geno insisted that he must go at 1.1 obviously must be smarter than all the GMs in the NFL that watched all his game coaches films, worked him out, and interviewed him. Sure, sometimes they make mistakes or overlook a talent. Time will tell if that's the case. And you really need to check your reading comprehension because I never said that I thought Geno is or would be a failure. Teams draft based on what they feel is a player's potential. It really all comes down to what percentage of a gamble you are willing to make. I'm just saying that you guys want to blame the Chiefs yet every other NFL team will deserve the blame for failing to recognize if Geno becomes a star.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by Pam Oliver's Forehead

Those teams.

WERE WRONG.

The Chiefs.

WERE WRONG.

I don't think any of the teams balked at Geno for how he is when things go well. It wasn't that they didn't think he could throw TD and win games, but rather how he handles throwing INTs and losing. That's why he fell. Geno could still end up like Rivers or Cutler. But I'm with you that it was reeruned how many teams with QB needs passed on the clear-cut best QB in the draft in favor of sub-par talents like Luke Joeckel and Eric Fisher. Those dudes are fine, and will be fine, but what the **** made Eric Fisher worthy of the first overall pick and not Geno?

I'm fairly certain that the Chiefs would have had to take Geno 1.1 in order to secure him. If we didn't trade for Alex Smith, everyone would have known we were going QB. The Jets would have traded up to either #33 with Jax or back into the first round for him.

Not that taking Geno 1.1 would have been bad. I would have JIMPd.

1.1 Geno Smith
2.34 Zach Ertz
3.63 Terrence Williams/Stedman Bailey/Keenan Allen


I think I'd have vastly preferred that draft. But I said that at the time, too.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Mac-NinersChiefs

Uhm... how was it a bigger gift?

Because Alex's penalty should probably not have been called.

Geno was clearly out of bounds.

[the Talking Can]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Didn't say that. But you guys hitching your wagon to Geno insisted that he must go at 1.1 obviously must be smarter than all the GMs in the NFL that watched all his game coaches films, worked him out, and interviewed him. Sure, sometimes they make mistakes or overlook a talent. Time will tell if that's the case. And you really need to check your reading comprehension because I never said that I thought Geno is or would be a failure. Teams draft based on what they feel is a player's potential. It really all comes down to what percentage of a gamble you are willing to make. I'm just saying that you guys want to blame the Chiefs yet every other NFL team will deserve the blame for failing to recognize if Geno becomes a star.

is the 2nd round some kind of purgatory now?

jesus, he was the 39th pick, not a udfa...

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Quite a stretch of logic there.

No it's ****ing not.

The Chiefs had ****ing choked away the game to that point.

That penalty was a HUGE momentum shift. Credit to Alex for taking advantage of it, but whatever.

You're DONE discrediting Geno due to his gift, because Alex has received the SAME good fortune.

Who ****ing knows if we even get the ball back or if Alex has a drive in him or if he can convert on 4th down after that failed third down conversion.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Lzen

Every single team in the NFL passed on Geno Smith (2nd rd, pick 7). So you have to believe that there was something to it. Not saying Geno won't become a good QB, but there was something that scared off a lot of NFL teams that could have used an upgrade at the QB position. I was in the Geno Smith camp. But after he fell to the 2nd round, I figured the Chiefs must have made the right choice. Sure, there are guys that were drafted late or not at all throughout history that have become stars. Time will tell whether this guy is one of those. But one game against a crappy defense does not a season (nor career) make.

I'm not saying this game makes or breaks Geno Smith. It's a positive step, but he must continue to build on it. He must continue to progress and strengthen his ball security. He's trending upwards and might be a star even sooner than I, one of his biggest fans on here, thought.

Teams seemed to pass on him because of character/maturity concerns that came out of the interview room. This wouldn't be the first time that was either false, overblown, or something the player used to motivate himself past those issues. I think the fact he fell in the draft is a weak excuse.