Alternate Reality Game 3: Starting From Scratch - Page 291

**Rain Man** · 10:17 AM

General Concept: Take over a roster of NFL players and build/trade it through the draft, trades, and free agency.

Number of Players: Up to 32, maybe up to 40.

Basic Rules:

Go here: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...22#post5909122 I think pestilence has the latest in the thread header, but just in case, I pasted the latest in Post #12.

Draft Order - Veteran Draft

1 Chiefs=Good: Fort Wayne Dancers
2 bdeg: Philadelphia Battery Tossers
3 Mr. Arrowhead: Wichita Ballbashers (formerly Honolulu Hulas)
4 Chiefscafan: Los Angeles Purple Cobras
5 Kyle Delexus/MWagg72: Kansas City Kings
6 truebigdog: San Antonio Scorpions
7 rockio42: St. Louis Stallions
8 Ultra Peanut: Burlington Blue Barracudas
9 Fat Elvis: Cleveland Steamers
10 Pestilenceaf23: Tucson Twisters
11 cdcox: Greenville Marauders
12 Mile High Mania: Crested Butte-Holes (formerly Memphis Malt Liquor)
13 doomy3: Chattanooga Choo Choos
14 darosa88: Boise Beetdiggers
15 jwazzie: Wichita Wee Willies (formerly St. Louis Commodes)
16 Rain Man: Bradenton Super-Manatees
17 Burger: Knoxville Kiffins
18 KC King: Milwaukee Mud Ducks
19 Bowser: Atlantic City Hitmen

Divisions

East
2 bdeg: PBT
8 Ultra Peanut: BBB
9 Fat Elvis: CS
18 KC King: MMD
20 Bowser: ACH

Midwest
1 Chiefs=Good: FWD
5 Kyle Delexus: KCK
7 rockio42: SLS
15 jwazzie: WWW

South
11 cdcox: GM
12 Mile High Mania: CBH
13 doomy3: CCC
16 Rain Man: BSM
17 Burger: KK

West
3 Mr. Arrowhead: WB
4 Chiefscafan: LAPC
6 truebigdog: SAS
10 Pestilenceaf23: TTT
14 Darosa88: BBD

Edit: The clock is now 8 hours if you are not currently behind on your picks. If you are behind 1 pick, your clock will be 2 hours. If you are behind 2 or more picks, you will be skipped immedately, but will be notified. Owners are encouraged to leave a short list of preferred players with a trusted adult if they believe that they will not be immediately present for their pick.

The Remainder Round Draft Order is below, but I'm hiding it for the moment so people don't get confused with the regular draft order.

Spoiler!

First 30 rounds are here:

Spoiler!

Fat Elvis · 01-14-2010, 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

Yeah, aside from looking for people that are "self proclaimed" phenoms on the best way to judge the creation of a team like we've done.... it's going to be difficult to not view it in a fantasy light.

Perhaps TDs could be weighted based on who scored them. QB tds are worth a certain value; RB tds are another value; WR tds are a third value. All these tds are then modified by the value of the O-line; the assumption would be that a stout O-line would produce more tds while a weak o-line would of resulted in fewer tds. I'm sure cd has a pretty good formula.

I completely misunderstood how this was going to work out. I thought we were going to have head to head matchups and dicsuss the types of offenses and defenses we would implement against the other team given our personel and then everyone who participated in the draft would vote for the winner. We'd keep doing that until we had an "ultimate winner" or whatever.

Mile High Mania · 01-14-2010, 03:44 PM

I wasn't sure what was happening...

All I knew was it was a "wide open" draft to build a team with very few limitations, if any really at all. So, with that in mind... I went forward with the notion that I would put together as many great players at each position as I could acquire.

I think that anything involving weighted formulas will produce something that won't matter much. There are a few teams that you can look at and say "yeah, they're head and shoulders above the rest".

**Rain Man** · 01-14-2010, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I wasn't sure what was happening...

All I knew was it was a "wide open" draft to build a team with very few limitations, if any really at all. So, with that in mind... I went forward with the notion that I would put together as many great players at each position as I could acquire.

I think that anything involving weighted formulas will produce something that won't matter much. There are a few teams that you can look at and say "yeah, they're head and shoulders above the rest".

That last paragraph is my initial thinking. It may be a little harder in Year 1, but we'll diverge over time.

Though I must say, I'm interested in Fat Elvis' suggestion of going head to head, and in the tradition of the early NFL, the best record wins the championship. What do people think about that idea? (This is pending, of course, cdcox developing a formula for the whole thing.)

Mile High Mania · 01-14-2010, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rain Man

That last paragraph is my initial thinking. It may be a little harder in Year 1, but we'll diverge over time.

Though I must say, I'm interested in Fat Elvis' suggestion of going head to head, and in the tradition of the early NFL, the best record wins the championship. What do people think about that idea? (This is pending, of course, cdcox developing a formula for the whole thing.)

So, it would become fantasy football...

It may be best for everyone just to suck it up, throw all the teams out there with a blurb from each person (100 words or less) on the strategy/creation of the team and then let a vote happen.

**Rain Man** · 01-14-2010, 04:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

So, it would become fantasy football...

It may be best for everyone just to suck it up, throw all the teams out there with a blurb from each person (100 words or less) on the strategy/creation of the team and then let a vote happen.

Nah, I don't think it'd be fantasy from a scoring perspective, but a head-to-head would be interesting when comparing one team that has certain areas of strength to another that might have different areas.

**cdcox** · 01-14-2010, 08:58 PM

Nah, my method wouldn't be like Fantasy at all.

First, I wouldn't play any games until the end of the season so that all of the data that characterizes a players performance is known before we play any of our games. At the end of the season, we'd play a full schedule of our games. Each player's performance in a given week would be randomly generated based on the distribution of that players performances over the season. Based on the aggregate performance of all your players and the aggregate performance of your opponents players, the game out come will be determined. Also, there is a random outcome of each game.

If your OL is bad at run blocking, that's going to hurt the productivity of your running game. Similarly if you are playing against a team with a good run defense. that is going to hurt your running game too. The effects are compounded, so the matchups matter. Your whole team contributes to your victory, not just the skill players.

Furthermore, I think I can accurately simulate the effect of depth and team strategy. If you want to run 3, 4, or 5 WR during some of your plays, it will matter how good your depth is. Or if you are running a two TE set, you better have multiple good TEs. On the other hand, if your WR are Andre Johnson, Wes Welker, Austin Miles, Sidney Rice and Randy Moss, you are going to lose some of the productivity of those players relative to the real NFL because there are only so many balls to go around

So this is my vision. Like I say, I think the data is out there. But for this level of characterization you need a lot of data and you need to bring it together in an organized format to do the calculations. Then you have to develop and test your models, then bring it together. This is the kind of thing I enjoy doing,but it may take me a while (months) given my heavy work schedule.

Given the delay for me do develop my method, I think the idea of voting isn't bad at all. If/when I get my method pulled together we can run it then.

Chiefs=Champions · 01-15-2010, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

Nah, my method wouldn't be like Fantasy at all.

First, I wouldn't play any games until the end of the season so that all of the data that characterizes a players performance is known before we play any of our games. At the end of the season, we'd play a full schedule of our games. Each player's performance in a given week would be randomly generated based on the distribution of that players performances over the season. Based on the aggregate performance of all your players and the aggregate performance of your opponents players, the game out come will be determined. Also, there is a random outcome of each game.

If your OL is bad at run blocking, that's going to hurt the productivity of your running game. Similarly if you are playing against a team with a good run defense. that is going to hurt your running game too. The effects are compounded, so the matchups matter. Your whole team contributes to your victory, not just the skill players.

Furthermore, I think I can accurately simulate the effect of depth and team strategy. If you want to run 3, 4, or 5 WR during some of your plays, it will matter how good your depth is. Or if you are running a two TE set, you better have multiple good TEs. On the other hand, if your WR are Andre Johnson, Wes Welker, Austin Miles, Sidney Rice and Randy Moss, you are going to lose some of the productivity of those players relative to the real NFL because there are only so many balls to go around

So this is my vision. Like I say, I think the data is out there. But for this level of characterization you need a lot of data and you need to bring it together in an organized format to do the calculations. Then you have to develop and test your models, then bring it together. This is the kind of thing I enjoy doing,but it may take me a while (months) given my heavy work schedule.

Given the delay for me do develop my method, I think the idea of voting isn't bad at all. If/when I get my method pulled together we can run it then.

If this was facebook id like this. I dont see why we cant have it both ways. a voting platform and a formula method.

its a looong offseason afterall. provided uv got the time i think you should run with this man. Cheers!

Fat Elvis · 01-15-2010, 09:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cdcox

Nah, my method wouldn't be like Fantasy at all.

First, I wouldn't play any games until the end of the season so that all of the data that characterizes a players performance is known before we play any of our games. At the end of the season, we'd play a full schedule of our games. Each player's performance in a given week would be randomly generated based on the distribution of that players performances over the season. Based on the aggregate performance of all your players and the aggregate performance of your opponents players, the game out come will be determined. Also, there is a random outcome of each game.

If your OL is bad at run blocking, that's going to hurt the productivity of your running game. Similarly if you are playing against a team with a good run defense. that is going to hurt your running game too. The effects are compounded, so the matchups matter. Your whole team contributes to your victory, not just the skill players.

Furthermore, I think I can accurately simulate the effect of depth and team strategy. If you want to run 3, 4, or 5 WR during some of your plays, it will matter how good your depth is. Or if you are running a two TE set, you better have multiple good TEs. On the other hand, if your WR are Andre Johnson, Wes Welker, Austin Miles, Sidney Rice and Randy Moss, you are going to lose some of the productivity of those players relative to the real NFL because there are only so many balls to go around

So this is my vision. Like I say, I think the data is out there. But for this level of characterization you need a lot of data and you need to bring it together in an organized format to do the calculations. Then you have to develop and test your models, then bring it together. This is the kind of thing I enjoy doing,but it may take me a while (months) given my heavy work schedule.

Given the delay for me do develop my method, I think the idea of voting isn't bad at all. If/when I get my method pulled together we can run it then.

Could you incorporate the findings in this paper into your model? It is why I didn't choose a punter (especially when you have my offense....)

chiefscafan · 01-18-2010, 09:14 PM

So what is the draft order of this with traded picks

Mr. Arrowhead · 01-19-2010, 08:34 AM

my team sucked bad

**Bwana** · 01-19-2010, 09:17 AM

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Fat Elvis · 02-16-2010, 09:27 AM

Are we going to do something with this game?

jwazzie · 02-16-2010, 11:12 AM

Looking back my team was old and terrible. Better Next Year for the WWW!

Fat Elvis · 02-16-2010, 02:33 PM

So is this some weird episode of Lost where the Alternate Reality Game 3 teams wind up on an island after some WWII Bomber Squadrons crash landed?

**Rain Man** · 02-16-2010, 06:10 PM

Yeah, definitely. I've just been busy at work since the Super Bowl. Can you (or someone) pm all the players and let them know that they need to identify their starting lineups and make a short pitch for their teams?

I've been looking forward to doing this, but have been a little too busy to devote time to it.

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Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-672449 VARSITY	Alternate Reality Game 3: Starting From Scratch General Concept: Take over a roster of NFL players and build/trade it through the draft, trades, and free agency. Number of Players: Up to 32, maybe up to 40. Basic Rules: Go here: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...22#post5909122 I think pestilence has the latest in the thread header, but just in case, I pasted the latest in Post #12. Draft Order - Veteran Draft 1 Chiefs=Good: Fort Wayne Dancers 2 bdeg: Philadelphia Battery Tossers 3 Mr. Arrowhead: Wichita Ballbashers (formerly Honolulu Hulas) 4 Chiefscafan: Los Angeles Purple Cobras 5 Kyle Delexus/MWagg72: Kansas City Kings 6 truebigdog: San Antonio Scorpions 7 rockio42: St. Louis Stallions 8 Ultra Peanut: Burlington Blue Barracudas 9 Fat Elvis: Cleveland Steamers 10 Pestilenceaf23: Tucson Twisters 11 cdcox: Greenville Marauders 12 Mile High Mania: Crested Butte-Holes (formerly Memphis Malt Liquor) 13 doomy3: Chattanooga Choo Choos 14 darosa88: Boise Beetdiggers 15 jwazzie: Wichita Wee Willies (formerly St. Louis Commodes) 16 Rain Man: Bradenton Super-Manatees 17 Burger: Knoxville Kiffins 18 KC King: Milwaukee Mud Ducks 19 Bowser: Atlantic City Hitmen Divisions East 2 bdeg: PBT 8 Ultra Peanut: BBB 9 Fat Elvis: CS 18 KC King: MMD 20 Bowser: ACH Midwest 1 Chiefs=Good: FWD 5 Kyle Delexus: KCK 7 rockio42: SLS 15 jwazzie: WWW South 11 cdcox: GM 12 Mile High Mania: CBH 13 doomy3: CCC 16 Rain Man: BSM 17 Burger: KK West 3 Mr. Arrowhead: WB 4 Chiefscafan: LAPC 6 truebigdog: SAS 10 Pestilenceaf23: TTT 14 Darosa88: BBD Edit: The clock is now 8 hours if you are not currently behind on your picks. If you are behind 1 pick, your clock will be 2 hours. If you are behind 2 or more picks, you will be skipped immedately, but will be notified. Owners are encouraged to leave a short list of preferred players with a trusted adult if they believe that they will not be immediately present for their pick. The Remainder Round Draft Order is below, but I'm hiding it for the moment so people don't get confused with the regular draft order. Spoiler! Round 34 Draft Order: Remainder Round. You can make trades to change the order of these picks, but you cannot trade away your Remainder Round pick without replacing it. 1 rockio42: St. Louis Stallions 2 jwazzie: Wichita Wet Willies 3 doomy3: Chattanooga Choo Choos (NOW HELD BY LAPC) 4 Fat Elvis: Cleveland Steamers 5 Burger: Knoxville Kiffins 6 Mile High Mania: Crested Butte-Holes (NOW HELD BY SAS) 7 Darosa88: Boise Beetdiggers 8 KC King: Milwaukee Mud Ducks 9 Pestilenceaf23: Tucson Twisters (NOW HELD BY BSM) 10 Chiefscafan: Los Angeles Purple Cobras (NOW HELD BY CCC) 11 bdeg: Philadelphia Battery Tossers 12 Ultra Peanut: Burlington Blue Barracudas 13 cdcox: Greenville Marauders 14 Chiefs=Good: Fort Wayne Dancers 15 Rain Man: Bradenton Super-Manatees (NOW HELD BY TTT) 16 Kyle Delexus/MWagg72: Kansas City Kings 17 Bowser: Atlantic City Hitmen 18 Mr. Arrowhead: Wichita Ballbashers 19 truebigdog: San Antonio Scorpions (NOW HELD BY CBH) First 30 rounds are here: Spoiler! Round 1 1. FWD - Peyton Manning, QB 2. PBT - Matt Ryan, QB 3. HH - Adrian Peterson, RB 4. LAPC - Chris Johnson, RB 5. KC Kings - Tom Brady, QB 6. SAS - Michael Turner, RB 7. SLS - Joe Thomas, LT 8. BBB - Larry Fitzgerald, WR 9. CS - Drew Brees, QB 10. TTT - Calvin Johnson, WR 11. GM - DeAngelo Williams, RB 12. MML - Matt Cassel, QB 13. CCC- Ben Roethlisberger, QB 14. BBD - Phillip Rivers, QB 15. SLC - Andre Johnson, WR 16. BSM - Demarcus Ware, OLB - Traded to BBD 17. KK - Patrick Willis, ILB 18. MMD - Shawne "roidman" Merriman, OLB - Traded to BBD 19. ACH - Tony Romo, QB Round 2 19. ACH - Brian Westbrook, RB 18. MMD - Ed Reed, FS 17. KK - Aaron Rodgers, QB 16. BSM - Mario Williams, DE 15. SLC - Matt Forte, RB 14. BBD - Jared Allen, DE - Traded to BSM 13. CCC- Roddy White, WR 12. MML - Julius Peppers, DE/OLB 11. GM- Jonathan Vilma, LB 10. Tuscon Tittie Twisters- Jay Cutler, QB 9. CS - Randy Moss, WR 8. BBB - Eli Manning, QB 7. SLS - Jon Beason, ILB 6. SAS - Mathias Kiawanuka, DE 5. KCK - Osi Umenyiora, DE 4. LAPC - James Harrison OLB/DE 3. HH - Jerrod Mayo MLB 2. PBT - Haloti Ngata NT 1. FWD - Albert Haynesworth DT Round 3 1. FWD - Justin Tuck DE 2. PBT - Ryan Clady, OT 3. HH - Joe Flacco, QB 4. LAPC - Terrell Suggs, OLB/DE 5. KCK - Vince Wilfork, NT 6. SAS - Carson Palmer, QB 7. SLS - Greg Jennings, WR 8. BBB - Richard Seymour, DE 9. CS - LaDainian Tomlinson, RB 10. TTT - Stephen Jackson, RB 11. GM - Chad Pennington, QB 12. MML - Kevin Williams, DT 13. CCC- Nnamdi Asomugha, CB 14. BBD - Reggie Wayne, WR, traded to MMD 15. SLC- Walter Jones, OT 16. BSM - Jake Long, OT 17. KK - Joey Porter, OLB 18. MMD - Marion Barber, HB 19. ACH - Troy Polamalu, SS Round 4. 19. ACH - Dwight Freeney, DE 18. MMD - Donovan McNabb, QB 17. KK - Brandon Marshall, WR 16. BSM - Darrelle Revis, CB 15. STL Commodes- Brian Urlacher, ILB 14. BBD - Reggie Bush, RB/WR/KR/PR 13. CCC- Bob Sanders, SS 12. MML - Anquan Bolden, WR 11. GM - John Abraham, DE 10. TTT - DeMeco Ryans, ILB 9. CS - Shaun Rogers, DT 8. BBB - Casey Hampton, NT 7. SLS - LaRon Landry, FS 6. SAS - Branden Albert, OT 5. KCK - Braylon Edwards, WR 4. LAPC - Ray Lewis, ILB 3. HH- Eddie Royal, WR 2. PBT - Dwayne Bowe, WR 1. FWD - Steve Smith, WR Round 5 1. FWD, Marcus Trufant, CB 2. PBT - Lamarr Woodley, OLB 3. HH- Antonio Cromartie, CB 4. LAPC - Trent Edwards, QB 5. KCK - Micheal Roos, OT 6. SAS - D'Qwell Jackson, ILB 7. SLS - Aaron Kampman, DE 8. BBB - Karlos Dansby, ILB 9. CS - Terrell Owens, WR 10. TTT - Marques Colston, WR 11. GM - Wes Welker, WR 12. MML - TJ Houshmandzadeh, WR 13. CCC- Maurice Jones-Drew, RB 14. BBD - Asante Samuel, CB, traded to MMD 15. SLC - Chad Ocho Cinco, WR 16. BSM - Champ Bailey, CB 17. KK - Charles Woodson, CB 18. MMD - Lee Evans WR 19. ACH - Steve Breaston, WR Round 6. 19. ACH - Derrick Johnson, ILB 18. MMD - Anthony Gonzalez WR 17. KK - Ted Ginn Jr. Wr 16. BSM - Clinton Portis, HB 15. SLC - Tony Gonzales, TE 14. BBD - Jason Peters, OT - Traded to CCC 13. CCC- Antonio Gates, TE 12. MMLs - Brandon Jacobs, RB 11. GM - Michael Griffin, S 10. TTT - Jason Witten, TE 9. CS- Chris Samuels, OT 8. BBB - Cortland Finnegan, CB 7. SLS - Darnell Dockett, UT 6. SAS - DeSean Jackson, WR 5. KCK - Frank Gore, RB 4. LAPC - John Henderson, DE/DT 3. HH - Alex Brown, DE 2. PBT - Jay Ratliff, DE 1. FWD - Oshiomogho Atogwe, FS Round 7 1. FWD - Lance Briggs, OLB 2. PBT - Shaun Phillips, OLB 3. HH - Santonio Holmes, WR 4. LAPC - Bart Scott, ILB 5. KCK - Devin Hester, WR,KR,PR 6. SAS - Domonique Rodgers-Cromartie, CB 7. SLS - Ronnie Brown, HB 8. BBB - Steve Slaton, HB 9. CS - Julian Peterson, OLB 10. TTT - Jordan Gross, LT 11. PBT - Glenn Dorsey, DE 12. MML - Marcus McNeil, LT 13. CCC- Trent Cole, OLB/DE 14. BBD - Leodis McKelvin, CB - Traded to CCC 15. SLC - Kyle Vanden Bosch, DE 16. BSM - Jammal Brown, OT 17. KK - Chris Long, DE 18. MMD - Robert Mathis, DE 19. ACH - Bryant McKinnie ,OT Round 8 19. ACH - Jamal Williams, NT 18. MMD - Bradie James, ILB - Traded to BBD, then MMD 17. KK - Shaun Ellis, DE 16. BSM - Tommie Harris, DT 15. SLC - Nick Mangold, C 14. BBD - Keith Rivers, LB, trade to BSM 13. CCC- Ty Warren, DT/DE 12. MML - Kris Jenkins, NT - Traded to BBD 11. GM - Dallas Clark, TE 10. TTT - Rashean Mathis, CB 9. CS - Flozell Adams, OT 8. SLS - Kellen Winslow, TE 7. SLS - Amobi Okoye, NT 6. TTT - Gaines Adams, DE 5. KCK - Barrett Ruud, ILB 4. LAPC - Dustin Keller, TE 3. CCC- A.J. Hawk, LB (Via Trade with Sully) 2. GM - Andre Goodman, CB 1. LAPC - WR Antonio Bryant Round 9 1. FWD - DT Marcus Stroud 2. PBT - Darren McFadden, RB 3. HH - Ryan Diem, OT 4. CCC- Ernie Sims, LB 5. TTT - Kenny Phillips, FS 6. SAS - Chad Greenway, OLB 7. BBB - D'Brickashaw Ferguson, OT 8. BBB - Vincent Jackson, WR 9. CS - Steve Hutchinson, G 10. MML - Greg Olsen, TE 11. GM - Jon Stinchcomb, OT 12. MML - Roy Williams, WR 13. TTT - Thomas Howard, OLB 14. BBD - Bernard Berrian, WR 15. SLC - Devery Henderson, WR 16. BSM - Adrian Wilson, SS 17. KK - Ryan Grant, RB 18. PBT - Corey Webster, CB 19. ACH - Hines Ward, WR Round 10 19. ACH - DeAngelo Hall, CB 18. BSM - Chris Snee, G 17. KK - Levi Brown, LT 16. LAPC - Donald Penn, LT 15. SLC - Jake Delhomme, QB 14. BBD - Rocky Bernard, DT, trade to ACH 13. TTT - Lofa Tatupu, LB 12. TTT - Sedrick Ellis, DT 11. GM - DJ Williams, OLB 10. KCK - Terrence Newman, CB 9. MML - Matt Schaub, QB 8. SLS - Ron Bartell, CB 7. SLS - Leroy Hill, OLB 6. MML - Kevin Smith, RB 5. KCK - David Stewart, RT 4. MML - Kirk Morrison, LB 3. HH - Marshall Yanda, G 2. PBT - Jonathan Stewart, RB 1. FWD - David Harris, ILB Round 11 1. PBT - Kerry Rhoades, S 2. PBT - Carlos Rogers - CB 3. HH - Dusty Dvoracek, DT 4. CCC- Jared Gaither, LT 5. KC Kings - James Farrior, ILB 6. SAS - Eric Weddle, S 7. BBB - Nick Collins, S 8. BBB - Chris Canty, DE 9. CS - Alan Faneca, G 10. TTT - Jerricho Cotchery, WR 11. GM - Justin Smith, DE 12. LAPC - Antrelle Rolle, FS 13. LAPC - Brandon Meriweather , SS 14. BBD - Nick Barnett, ILB, trade to BSM 15. SLC - Brian Waters, G 16. BSM - Kurt Warner, QB 17. KK - Donald Driver, WR 18. MMD - Chris Horton, SS 19. ACH - Dan Koppen, C Round 12 19. ACH - Erik Coleman, FS 18. MMD - Freddy Keiaho, OLB 17. KK - Chris Hope, S 16. BSM - Santana Moss, WR 15. LAPC - Dunta Robinson, CB 14. BBD - Leonard Davis, OG 13. CCC- Chris Gamble, CB 12. MML - Curtis Lofton, MLB 11. GM - Jason Brown, C 10. TTT - Marshawn Lynch, RB 9. MML - Richard Marshall, CB 8. BBB - Adalius Thomas, OLB 7. SLS - Jeff Otah, RT 6. TTT - Duane Brown, LT 5. TTT - Jeff Faine, C 4. CCC- Aqib Talib, FS 3. HH - Broderick Bunkley, DT 2. PBT - Lawrence Timmons, ILB 1. FWD - Joe Staley, LT Round 13 1. FWD - Owen Daniels, TE 2. PBT - Vernon Davis, TE 3. HH - Stacey Andrews, RT 4. LAPC - Brandon Flowers, CB 5. KC Kings - Ellis Hobbs, CB 6. SAS - Paul Pozluzny, ILB 7. MML - Gibril Wilson, S 8. BBB - Parys Haralson, OLB 9. CS - Andre Gurode, C 10. MML - Charles Tillman, CB 11. GM - Will Allen, CB 12. TTT - Leon Hall, CB 13. CCC - Shawn Andrews, OG/OT 14. BBD - Antoine Bethea, FS - traded to KC Kings 15. SLC - Yeremiah Bell, SS 16. BSM - Laveranues Coles, WR 17. KK - Davin Joseph, G 18. BSM - Brandon Mebane, DT 19. ACH - Antonio Pierce, MLB Round 14 19. ACH - Larry Johnson, RB 18. MMD - Will Smith, DE 17. KK - Ben Grubbs, OG 16. BSM - Chris Cooley, TE 15. CCC - Luis Castillo, DE/DT 14. BBD - Tony Ugoh, LT, traded to MMD 13. BBD - Ken Hamlin, FS 12. TTT - Cliff Avril, DE 11. GM - Greg Ellis, DE 10. CCC - Adam Carriker, DT 11. FWD - Felix Jones, RB 8. TTT - Reggie Nelson, FS 7. SLC - Daryl Smith, LB 6. SAS - Ryan Kalil, OC 5. KCK - Cullen Jenkins, DE 4. SLC - Larry Foote, MLB 3. HH - Kamerion Wimbley, OLB 2. PBT - Thomas Davis, OLB 1. FWD - Patrick Kerney, DE Round 15 1. FWD - Nate Clements, CB 2. TTT - Mike Patterson, DT 3. HH - Sheldon Brown, CB 4. SLC - Bertrand Berry, DE 5. BBD - Quentin Jammer, CB 6. SAS - Justin Blaylock, G 7. SLS - Channing Crowder, MLB 8. BBB - Vernon Carey, OT 9. MML - Stephen Cooper, ILB 10. SLS - Jahri Evans, RG 11. CCC - Pierre Thomas, RB 12. SLS - Tanard Jackson, FS 13. CCC - Derrick Harvey, DE 14. BSM - Kris Dielman, G 15. SLC - Ronde Barber, CB 16. TTT - Elvis Dumervil, DE 17. KK - Zach Miller, TE 18. BBD - Logan Mankins, G 19. ACH - Donnie Avery, WR Round 16 19. ACH - Willie Colon - RT 18. MMD - Antoine Cason, CB 17. KK - Jason Jones, DT 16. BBD - David Diehl, LT 15. SLC - Barry Cofield, NT 14. BSM - Jarrad Page, FS 13. BBD - Antoine Winfield - CB 12. MML - Roman Harper, S 11. GM - Chester Pitts, G 10. PBT - Jeremy Trueblood, RT 9. FWD - Aaron Sears, G 8. BBB - Nick Hardwick, C 7. SLS - Kelvin Hayden, CB 6. MML - Olin Kreutz, C 5. KCK - Todd Herremans, OG 4. LAPC - Nate Washington, WR 3. HH - Kawika Mitchell, OLB 2. PBT - Harvey Dahl, G 1. FWD - Vernon Gholston, DE/OLB Round 17 1. FWD - Lance Moore, WR 2. PBT - Aaron Smith, DE 3. HH - Mark Bradley, WR 4. LAPC - Josh Cribbs, WR/KR/PR 5. KCK - Jake Scott, OG 6. SAS - Ryan Harris, RT 7. SLS - Vince Manuwai, G 8. BBB - Terrence McGee, CB/KR 9. TTT - Carl Nicks, LG 10. PBT - Martellus Bennett, TE 11. CCC - Shaun O'Hara, C 12. SAS - Jamaal Anderson, DE 13. CCC - Stewart Bradley, ILB 14. MML - Ray Edwards, DE 15. SLC - Eric Barton, LB 16. BSM - Leon Washington, RB/KR/PR 17. KK - Orlando Pace, LT 18. BBD - Thomas Jones, RB 19. BBD - Matt Birk, C Round 18 19. ACH- Lito Sheppard, CB 18. BBD - Kevin Payne, SS 17. KK - Keith Bulluck, OLB 16. LAPC - Jeff Saturday, C 15. SLC - Ike Taylor, CB 14. BBD - John Carlson, TE 13. CCC - Chris Henry, WR 12. MML - Robert Gallery, G 11. CCC - Andre Carter, DE 10. SAS - Brandon Carr, CB 9. FWD - LenDale White, RB 8. BBB - Eric Steinbach, G 7. SLS - Jason Campbell, QB 6. SAS - Brady Popinga, OLB 5. KCK - Kevin Walter, WR 4. LAPC - Brett Favre, QB 3. HH - Jamaal Jackson, C 2. GM- Le'Ron McClain, FB 1. TTT - Brady Quinn, QB Round 19 1. FWD - Michael Jenkins, WR 2. PBT - Chris Houston, DB 3. HH - Quinten Mikell, FS 4. BBD - Langston Walker, OT 5. KCK - Derrick Ward, RB 6. SAS - Steve Smith, WR 7. SLS - Justin Gage, WR 8. SLS - Darren Sproles, RB 9. FWD - E.J. Henderson, LB 10. BSM - Stephen Gostkowski, K 11. GM - Domenick Hixon WR 12. MML - Peyton Hillis, FB 13. CCC - Kyle Orton, QB 14. BBD - Will Witherspoon, ILB 15. SLC - Ryan Clark, FS 16. MML - Darryl Tapp, RDE 17. KK - Nick Folk, K 18. MMD - Tony Brown, DT 19. ACH - Charles Grant, DE Round 20 19. MML - Zach Diles, OLB/SLB 18. MMD - Nick Kaczur, OT 17. KK - Brandon McDonald, CB 16. TTT - Eric Wright, CB 15. SLC - Sean Locklear, OT 14. LAPC - Rob Bironas, K 13. CCC - Travelle Wharton, OG 12. MML - Chris Kuper, RG 11. GM - Chris Williams, OT 10. SAS - Jim Leonhard, SS 9. FWD - Eric Winston, RT 8. BBB - Visanthe Shiancoe, TE 7. SLS - Darren Howard, DE 6. SAS - Daryn Colledge, RG 5. KCK - Calvin Pace, OLB 4. MML - Mason Crosby, K 3. HH - Willie Parker, RB 2. TTT - Deuce Lutui, RG 1. FWD - Mike Pollak, OG/C Round 21 1. PBT - Anthony Spencer, OLB 2. PBT - Robert Meacham, WR 3. WB - Matt Hasselbeck, QB 4. CCC - Manny Lawson, DE/OLB 5. KCK - Corey Williams, DE 6. CBH - Jerious Norwood, KR/RB 7. BBB - Mark Clayton, WR 8. BBB - Chinedum Ndukwe, SS 9. BBD - Pat Williams, NT 10. TTT - Anthony Fasano, TE 11. GM - Pat Sims, NT 12. LAPC - Trevor Pryce, DE 13. CCC - Kelly Gregg, DT 14. SAS - Johnny Jolly, NT 15. WWW - Justin Fargas, RB 16. BSM - Davone Bess, WR 17. KK - Sean Jones, S 18. MMD -Ben Claxton, C 19. ACH - Ben Leber - OLB Round 22 19. ACH - Marcedes Lewis - TE 18. MMD - Stephen Neal , G 17. KK - Corey Redding, DT 16. BSM - Scott Fujita, OLB 15. WWW - Eugene Amano, OG 14. BBD - Brett Keisel, DE 13. CCC - Ray Rice, RB 12. LAPC - Jason Ferguson, DT 11. GM - Chris Harris, SS 10. CBH - Tommy Kelly, DT 9. CCC - Heath Miller, TE 8. TTT - Sam Baker, LT 7. SLS - Aaron Ross, CB 6. SAS - Atari Bigby, S 5. KCK - Bo Scaife, TE 4. BBB - Chester Taylor, RB 3. WB- Brandon Moore, OG 2. PBT - Nate Kaeding, K 1. FWD - Andrew Whitworth, OG Round 23 1. FWD - Tyrell Johnson, S 2. PBT - Rashard Mendenhall, RB 3. WB - Aaron Schobel, DE 4. LAPC - Jamal Lewis 5. KCK - Josh Brown, K 6. SAS - Dustin Colquitt, P 7. SLS -Justin Hartwig, C 8. BBB - Pisa Tinoisamoa, LB 9. CCC - Derrick Dockery, OG 10. BSM -Joseph Addai, HB 11. GM - David Garrard, QB 12. TTT - Gosder Cherilus, RT 13. CBH - Anthony Collins, RT 14. BBD - Torry Holt, WR 15. WWW -Danny Clark, OLB 16. BSM - Dominic Raiola, C 17. KK - Justin Harrell, DT 18. MMD - Heath Evans , FB 19. ACH - Patrick Crayton, WR Round 24 19 ACH - Rich Seubert, G 18 MMD - Jonathan Babineaux , DT 17 KK - Tavares Gooden, MLB 16 CCC - James Jones, WR 15 WWW - Shane Lechler, P 14 BBD - Bernard Pollard, SS 13 CCC - Donte Whitner - SS/FS 12 LAPC - Kareem McKenzie, RT 11 GM - Takeo Spikes, ILB 10 BBB - Chilo Rachal, OG 9 CCC - Scott Wells, C 8 BBB - Al Harris, CB 7 SLS - Chris Clemons, DE 6 SAS - Josh Morgan, WR 5 KCK - Mike Jenkins, CB 4 CBH - Jordy Nelson, WR 3 WB - Darren Sharper, FS 2 PBT - Terrell Thomas, FS 1 FWD - Justin Durant, OLB Round 25 1 FWD - Calais Campbell, DE/DT 2 PBT - Brad Meester, C 3 WB - Deion Branch, WR 4 LAPC - Donnie Jones, P 5 KCK - Michael Johnson, SS 6 SAS - Brent Celek, TE 7 TTT - Earl Bennett, WR 8 TTT - John Sullivan, OC/OG 9 TTT - Rocky McIntosh, OLB 10 TTT - Jamaal Charles, RB/KR/PR 11 GM - Ahmad Bradshaw, RB 12 BBD - Kevin Boss, TE 13 CCC - Stephen Tulloch, MLB 14 LAPC - Tracy Porter, DB 15 WWW - Yamon Figurs, KR/PR/WR 16 CBH - Jeremy Shockey, TE 17 KK - Marc Bulger, QB 18 MMD - Amani Toomer, WR 19 ACH - Jacob Hester, FB Round 26 19 ACH - Donald Thomas, RG 18 MMD - Tony Scheffler, TE 17 KK - Jason Spitz C/G 16 BBD - Jarret Johnson, OLB 15 WWW - David Akers, K 14 BBD - Cedrick Griffin, CB 13 CCC - Jeremy Zuttah, OG/OT 12 CBH - Gerald Hayes, ILB/MLB 11 GM - Jonathan Joseph, CB 10 TTT - Jacob Ford, DE 9 BBD - Matt Light, LT 8 BBB - Tramon Williams, CB 7 SLS -Clint Session, OLB 6 SAS - Mike Vick WR/PR/KR 5 KCK - Dwight Lowery, DB 4 LAPC - Aubrayo Franklin, NT 3 WB - Greg Jones, FB 2 PBT - Jake Grove, G 1 FWD - Nathan Vasher, CB Round 27 1 FWD - James Butler, SS 2 PBT - Roscoe Parrish, WR/PR 3 WB - Zach Thomas, ILB 4 BBD - Ryan Lilja, G 5 BBD - Julius Jones, HB 6 SAS - Kendall Langford, DE 7 SLS - Jacob Bell, OG 8 BBB- Igor Olshansky, DE 9 BBD - Cedric Benson, HB 10 CBH - Domata Peko, DT 11 GM - Justin Smiley, G 12 BBD - Brian Dawkins, FS 13 CCC - Dawan Landry, SS 14 MMD - Casey Rabach, C 15 WWW - Tony Richardson, FB 16 BSM - Mike Scifres, P 17 KK - Deltha O'Neal, CB 18 MMD - Vince Young, QB 19 ACH - David Thornton - OLB Round 28x 19 ACH - Phillip Buchanon - CB 18 MMD - Tarell Brown, Nickle 17 KK - Lousaka Polite, FB 16 MMD - Mike Brown, Safety 15 WWW - Rex Hadnot, G 14 BBD - Eugene Wilson, S 13 CCC - Phillip Merling, DE/DT 12 SAS - Sage Rosenfels, QB 11 GM - Trevor Scott, DE 10 TTT - Tank Tyler, DT 9 BBD - Robbie Gould, K 8 BBB - Gabe Watson, NT 7 SLS - Mike Karney, FB 6 SAS - Garrett Hartley, K 5 KCK - Sidney Rice, WR 4 BBD - Pierre Woods, LB 3 WB - Adewale Ogenleye, DE 2 TTT - Josh Beekman, OG 1 FWD - Lawrence Jackson, DE Round 29 1 FWD - Madison Hedgecock, FB 2 TTT - Devin Thomas, WR 3 WB - Kentwan Balmer, DT 4 CCC - Kris Brown, K 5 KCK - Lawrence Vickers, FB 6 SAS - Owen Schmitt, FB 7 CCC - Jerome Harrison, RB 8 BBB - Alex Smith, QB 9 CS - Sebastian Janikowski, K 10 LAPC - Marcus Spears, DE 11 GM - Rashad Jeanty, LB 12 CBH - Chris Myers, C 13 CCC - Derrick Burgess, DE/OLB 14 BSM - London Fletcher-Baker, MLB 15 WWW - Byron Leftwich, QB 16 BSM - Matt Roth, DE 17 KK - Earnest Graham, HB 18 LAPC - Anthony Herrera, G 19 ACH - Neil Rackers, K Round 30 19 ACH - Chris Kluwe, P 18 MMD - Craig Hentrich, P 17 KK - Brett Kern, P 16 BSM - Chansi Stuckey, WR 15 WWW - Jevon Kearse, DE 14 BSM - Matt Leinert, QB 13 CCC - Tamba Hali, DE/OLB 12 CBH - Akeem Jordan, OLB 11 GM - Gerald Sensabaugh, FS 10 BSM - Todd Heap, TE 9 CS - Dhani Jones, ILB 8 BBB - Ryan Longwell, K 7 SLS - Laurent Robinson, WR 6 SAS - Tim Hightower, RB 5 KCK - Samsom Satele, C 4 BSM - Marcus Harrison, DT 3 WB - Marc Colombo, RT 2 PBT - Vonta Leach, FB 1 FWD - Daniel Manning, KR/PR/FS Last edited by Rain Man; 08-14-2009 at 10:17 AM..
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01-14-2010, 03:44 PM	#4352
Mile High Mania #triggering Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Tejas Casino cash: $917229	I wasn't sure what was happening... All I knew was it was a "wide open" draft to build a team with very few limitations, if any really at all. So, with that in mind... I went forward with the notion that I would put together as many great players at each position as I could acquire. I think that anything involving weighted formulas will produce something that won't matter much. There are a few teams that you can look at and say "yeah, they're head and shoulders above the rest". __________________
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01-14-2010, 08:58 PM	#4356
cdcox www.nfl-forecast.com Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $-578231	Nah, my method wouldn't be like Fantasy at all. First, I wouldn't play any games until the end of the season so that all of the data that characterizes a players performance is known before we play any of our games. At the end of the season, we'd play a full schedule of our games. Each player's performance in a given week would be randomly generated based on the distribution of that players performances over the season. Based on the aggregate performance of all your players and the aggregate performance of your opponents players, the game out come will be determined. Also, there is a random outcome of each game. If your OL is bad at run blocking, that's going to hurt the productivity of your running game. Similarly if you are playing against a team with a good run defense. that is going to hurt your running game too. The effects are compounded, so the matchups matter. Your whole team contributes to your victory, not just the skill players. Furthermore, I think I can accurately simulate the effect of depth and team strategy. If you want to run 3, 4, or 5 WR during some of your plays, it will matter how good your depth is. Or if you are running a two TE set, you better have multiple good TEs. On the other hand, if your WR are Andre Johnson, Wes Welker, Austin Miles, Sidney Rice and Randy Moss, you are going to lose some of the productivity of those players relative to the real NFL because there are only so many balls to go around So this is my vision. Like I say, I think the data is out there. But for this level of characterization you need a lot of data and you need to bring it together in an organized format to do the calculations. Then you have to develop and test your models, then bring it together. This is the kind of thing I enjoy doing,but it may take me a while (months) given my heavy work schedule. Given the delay for me do develop my method, I think the idea of voting isn't bad at all. If/when I get my method pulled together we can run it then.
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01-18-2010, 09:14 PM	#4359
chiefscafan Veteran Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: manhattan beach, CA Casino cash: $9688215	So what is the draft order of this with traded picks
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01-19-2010, 08:34 AM	#4360
Mr. Arrowhead MVP Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Wichita Casino cash: $10015708	my team sucked bad
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01-19-2010, 09:17 AM	#4361
Bwana It's Five O'Clock Somewhere Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Billings, Montana Casino cash: $2135843647	http://c.brightcove.com/services/vie..._f8/1155201977" bgcolor="#FFFFFF" flashVars="videoId=62286639001&playerId=1155201977&viewerSecureGatewayURL=https://console.brightcove.com/services/amfgateway&servicesURL=http://services.brightcove.com/services&cdnURL=http://admin.brightcove.com&domain=embed&autoStart=false&" base="http://admin.brightcove.com" name="flashObj" width="486" height="412" seamlesstabbing="false" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" swLiveConnect="true" pluginspage="http://www.macromedia.com/shockwave/...Flash"></embed> __________________ Adventure is dangerous....but monotony can kill you.
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02-16-2010, 09:27 AM	#4362
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $-2038075	Are we going to do something with this game?
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02-16-2010, 11:12 AM	#4363
jwazzie Big Headed Baby Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Somewhere in the US Casino cash: $10004607	Looking back my team was old and terrible. Better Next Year for the WWW! __________________ Who dat?....Who dare?
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02-16-2010, 02:33 PM	#4364
Fat Elvis Sexiest Athlete Join Date: Apr 2001 Casino cash: $-2038075	So is this some weird episode of Lost where the Alternate Reality Game 3 teams wind up on an island after some WWII Bomber Squadrons crash landed?
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02-16-2010, 06:10 PM	#4365
Rain Man Seize life. Be an ermine. Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: My house Casino cash: $-672449 VARSITY	Yeah, definitely. I've just been busy at work since the Super Bowl. Can you (or someone) pm all the players and let them know that they need to identify their starting lineups and make a short pitch for their teams? I've been looking forward to doing this, but have been a little too busy to devote time to it. __________________ Active fan of the greatest team in NFL history.
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