2018 STL Cardinals Thread

[BigRedChief]

Opening day lineup

Fowler RF
Pham CF
Carpenter 3B
Ozuna LF
Martinez 1B
Molina C
Dejong SS
Wong 2B
Pitcher

Edit:
Matheny fired 07/14/2018




Opening Day Roster

Spoiler!

St. Louis has opted to carry 12 position players and 13 pitchers to begin the new season, with a four-man bench and eight-man bullpen.

Outfielders:
Dexter Fowler
Tommy Pham
Marcell Ozuna

Infielders:
Matt Carpenter
Paul DeJong
Kolten Wong

Catchers:
Yadier Molina
Francisco Pena

Utility:
Jose Martinez
Greg Garcia
Yairo Munoz
Jedd Gyrko

Starters:
Carlos Martinez
Michael Wacha
Luke Weaver
Miles Mikolas
Jack Flaherty

Relievers:
Dominic Leone
Tyler Lyons
Bud Norris
Brett Cecil
Sam Tuivailala
Matt Bowman
Jordan Hicks
Mike Mayers

On the DL:
Adam Wainwright
Luke Gregerson

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Astros could actually use him.

But you're not gonna get much for him. Maybe if you're lucky you could 'pry' someone like Cionel Perez away. But it gets back to the same old shit with this team - you seriously don't have your own Cionel Perez somewhere in this system? Have you become so lazy and entitled that the idea of developing relief arms is suddenly beneath you?

I'd honestly punt on the LH reliever crap and see if the Mariners would trade us Vogelbach and a AA arm for him. Vogelbach sucks; less defensively capable than Martinez even. But at least he hits lefthanded with some power and will take a walk.

Look - if we don't trade for someone like Vogelbach, we'll sign Daniel !@#$ing Descalso and call him our bench lefty. Because that's just how unbelievably stupid this organization has become. So we might as well 'lose' a trade to fill a hole in the roster and prevent us from doing something even less intelligent.

If there's an intelligent decision to make, we won't be making it.

Just trade him somewhere and be done with it. I don't wanna watch the guy anymore.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

middle inning, LOOGY pitchers cant be that valuable.

We gave Brett Cecil a 4 year, $32 million deal.

Besides, 30 year old RH hitters with nominal power and an inability to play credible defense anywhere aren't that valuable either.

[O.city]

Tony Watson’s another option for #stlcards, though Smith has more appeal to them, it seems. They’ve been looking at ways to turn Jose Martinez and his years of control into a lefty, and that’s drawn them into trade alternatives to free-agent lefties. https://t.co/wRZ3u2BGXp

— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) December 11, 2018

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Source: The #SFGiants have gotten a ton of calls on lefty Will Smith and the #STLCards are among the most aggressive pursuers. Might be tough as Giants aren’t keen on losing him.

— Mark Saxon (@markasaxon) December 11, 2018

"Aggressive" = "Pretty pretty please!!! Please take Jose Martinez for him!!!"

It's the same kind of 'aggressive' I get from my 4 year old when she wants to watch cartoons but didn't finish her dinner. The idea that I'm not on board with her suggestion is just a complete anathema and if I'd just listen to her wail long enough, surely I'll come around.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by jd1020

I just read they are willing to trade 2 of their outfielders and Hill and Wood are available.

Send a couple OFers to Miami for Realmuto and get Harper. That would be gross.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

They could offer the Marlins their entire OF and it wouldn't get them Realmuto. The only guy they have out there that might be of interest to the Fish would be Verdugo and I'm still pretty sure that guy is fool's gold. I mean maybe Bellinger but I'm still pretty sure he's not an OFer despite their insistence on putting him out there.

"Positionless baseball" works in video games but they're not winning a championship with Cody Bellinger in CF.

I think the current rumor is that the Indians want Verdugo in the Kluber trade.

I'd love for the Dodgers to get Realmuto AND Harper....but I don't see it happening.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Tony Watson’s another option for #stlcards, though Smith has more appeal to them, it seems. They’ve been looking at ways to turn Jose Martinez and his years of control into a lefty, and that’s drawn them into trade alternatives to free-agent lefties. https://t.co/wRZ3u2BGXp

— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) December 11, 2018

HA! I didn't even get my !@#$ing post typed.

"PUHLEEEAAAAASE" doesn't equal 'aggressive' Saxon, it equals desperate.

But hey, Mozeliak's heard of Will Smith and Tony Watson before so of course that's where he's going.

I'm fairly certain that this point that the Cardinals don't have a scouting department. I mean Jesus Christ, it's like they just pull up Yahoo's pre-season fantasy rankings from 4 seasons ago and make their shopping list from there.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Pest

I think the current rumor is that the Indians want Verdugo in the Kluber trade.

I'd love for the Dodgers to get Realmuto AND Harper....but I don't see it happening.

Maybe you can educate me here - what the hell am I missing with Alex Verdugo? Why are the Dodgers so routinely adamant that they won't be moving him?

If you can give up Verdugo as the key piece for 3 years of Corey Kluber...what's the holdup?

Is it the sub-optimal power that does it for them? Or the middling speed and defense? The guy is an AB sponge that won't actually produce much. If everything goes right he's what, Nick Markakis? Do the walks really give them that much of a hard-on? He could just as easily be Robbie Grossman.

Every time the Dodgers end up in trade talks it's "We won't trade Alex Verdugo..."

Aight - suit yourself. Kershaw's not getting any younger.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by The Pest

I think the current rumor is that the Indians want Verdugo in the Kluber trade.

I'd love for the Dodgers to get Realmuto AND Harper....but I don't see it happening.

Sounds like the Yankees are going to be the team trading for Realmuto anyways. They must be pretty confident in signing Machado because they are talking about clearing out 3B by dealing Andujar along with needing a SS for at least 1 year.

I just dont understand why the Dodgers would look at 2 WS appearances and say we don't want to spend now.

[VAChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

"Aggressive" = "Pretty pretty please!!! Please take Jose Martinez for him!!!"

It's the same kind of 'aggressive' I get from my 4 year old when she wants to watch cartoons but didn't finish her dinner. The idea that I'm not on board with her suggestion is just a complete anathema and if I'd just listen to her wail long enough, surely I'll come around.

Would like to see them work something out with the Twins for Taylor Rogers. Seems like the kind of lefty they have been missing.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Maybe you can educate me here - what the hell am I missing with Alex Verdugo? Why are the Dodgers so routinely adamant that they won't be moving him?

If you can give up Verdugo as the key piece for 3 years of Corey Kluber...what's the holdup?

Is it the sub-optimal power that does it for them? Or the middling speed and defense? The guy is an AB sponge that won't actually produce much. If everything goes right he's what, Nick Markakis? Do the walks really give them that much of a hard-on? He could just as easily be Robbie Grossman.

Every time the Dodgers end up in trade talks it's "We won't trade Alex Verdugo..."

Aight - suit yourself. Kershaw's not getting any younger.

No ****ing clue. I'd easily give him up in a deal for Kluber. Even a trade for Kluber and a Harper signing would be amazing. Especially since it sounds like the Mets are going all in for Realmuto.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Sounds like the Yankees are going to be the team trading for Realmuto anyways. They must be pretty confident in signing Machado because they are talking about clearing out 3B by dealing Andujar along with needing a SS for at least 1 year.

I just dont understand why the Dodgers would look at 2 WS appearances and say we don't want to spend now.

The Dodgers are pissing off a lot of their fans right now with the "not spending now" talk.....right after the Time Warner TV deal.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Pest

The Dodgers are pissing off a lot of their fans right now with the "not spending now" talk.....right after the Time Warner TV deal.

There's ONE big market team in on Harper and the !@#$ing Cardinals are taking themselves out of the running for him.

**** this ****ing team.

[jd1020]

If you are looking for just a LOOGY I'm not sure why you wouldn't just sign Xavier Cedeno that was non tendered by the Brewers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jd1020

If you are looking for just a LOOGY I'm not sure why you wouldn't just sign Xavier Cedeno that was non tendered by the Brewers.

I had to look up Xavier Cedeno to remember him.

If a good baseball fan has to look the person up, that's not Moe's speed when it comes to acquiring bullpen help. Moe needs someone that can easily be the subject of a spring-training puff piece. Ideally someone that's been in the post-season and if they've pitched against us, all the better.

Once Moe gets to his 90 projected wins, all he's worried about is ticket sales. Xavier Cedeno will sell precisely zero more tickets. Will Smith, OTOH, saved some games last year so Bernie and Goold can write articles about how the bullpen is saved now. That'll convince a few old timers to come out to the ballyard.

I mean c'mon - we signed Greg Holland FFS. What makes you think this team knows ****-all about building a bullpen?

[jd1020]

Hey I'm not going to get in the Cardinals way if they want to give up a player and spend double what they would pay for nearly the same guy they could get in FA.