***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by backinblack

The Jack in the Box drive thru up the road is probably going to become a more popular place for me for a while, provided the damn thing stays open.

Man looking at potentially two months of this crap...

I was thinking fast food is going to make a killing for as long as the drive thru stay open.

I can cook but I'm not thrilled about fixing every meal, especially if the grocery store stays picked over.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Spott

By closing restaurants, they are forcing those people to go to grocery stores to get their food, which will be just as crowded as any restaurant. They are basically just taking people from one congregation area and sending them to another.

LOL, not even close. You would have to have more than 1000 people at the grocery store at the same time to approximate a typical restaurant. Here's the data:

Average square feet of a Kroger = 1600,000
Average square feet of a Denny's = 45,000
Average capacity of a Denny's = 150

The raw calculation yields 5333 people in the Kroger, but allowing for aisles, and that Denny's might not be full, it is still going to be more than 1000 shoppers to get to a similar capacity. And this assumes that restaurant goers never go to the supermarket. Apply some critical thinking, please.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

In a study of 24 passengers who’d just flown from Israel, 7 tested positive for coronavirus, of which 4 had no symptoms — and *the viral load of specimens from asymptomatic patients was higher than from the 3 patients who had symptoms* https://t.co/LYQPUQ3lnG

— Hiroko Tabuchi (@HirokoTabuchi) March 14, 2020

This is inline with other studies. Scary - isolating when you're sick is not good enough - and young people are a vector.

Suzzer... I like you. You seem like a good person. But your doom and gloom is growing tiresome.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by Chief Pagan

Anti-freeze has been known to reduce temperatures.

What brand works best?

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ken...241218011.html


Government official: Coronavirus vaccine trial starts Monday

[arrowheadnation]

Why don't we copy whatever China did to head this off? They only had 14 new cases yesterday (12 of which were from people returning home form other countries), and their last pop-up hospital dedicated to COVID-19 closed today due to low demand. Shanghai Disneyland has begun the process of re-opening (currently opened in a limited capacity) They were by far the worst off. And they did it without buying enough toilet paper to last them til 2025. This can be done.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by TLO

Suzzer... I like you. You seem like a good person. But your doom and gloom is growing tiresome.

Dude, people are posting information in here. If it bothers you so much then don't open the thread.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by arrowheadnation

Why don't we copy whatever China did to head this off? They only had 14 new cases yesterday (12 of which were from people returning home form other countries), and their last pop-up hospital dedicated to COVID-19 closed today due to low demand. Shanghai Disneyland has begun the process of re-opening (currently opened in a limited capacity) They were by far the worst off. And they did it without buying enough toilet paper to last them til 2025. This can be done.

Are you willing to have a government lock applied to the door of your home?

Are you willing to be placed in a metal box and hauled off to quarantine?

Are you willing to be chased down by drones if you leave your house?

No thanks for me.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Dude, people are posting information in here. If it bothers you so much then don't open the thread.

No, he’s right. That guy is doom and gloom 24/7 every single post. It’s ridiculous.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by stumppy

Dude, people are posting information in here. If it bothers you so much then don't open the thread.

Originally Posted by staylor26

No, he’s right. That guy is doom and gloom 24/7 every single post. It’s ridiculous.

He's definitely posting the "bad news". Not that there's a lot of good news coming out of this right now.

[Hammock Parties]

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Oxymoron for sure.

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by TLO

He's definitely posting the "bad news". Not that there's a lot of good news coming out of this right now.

Exactly. If you're looking for a feel good thread you've came to the wrong place.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Not sure about the merit of the exemptions. Covid 19 doesn't know about any exemptions. It seems like the exempt entities should make adjustments in operations (sub-areas, shifts, etc) to achieve effective gatherings of less than 50.

[Monticore]

Originally Posted by TLO

So I obsessively checked my temperature today. At one point it was around 99.5. I have no other symptoms. Can stress and anxiety cause a rise in body temp? I noted that the temp was higher when I was feeling most anxious. I woke up this morning and it was 97.1

I'm relaxing tonight and its 98.3.

I think there might be a correlation but some reassurance wouldn't hurt.

There can be a natural rise in body temp as day progresses. 1 % degree C, up to 37.5 , not sure in how that translate int F. Just checked up to 99.5. So cooler in morning higher late afternoon