***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I am sorry a front line worker is questioning your vast knowledge at the factory level! **** me man! You're a ****ing moron if you think this is only affecting old people with shitty health. You should ask those losing loved ones in this thread about that. If you want to go by mortality rate alone, that's another misguided step. I've known dozens of front line workers, in good health, who required hospital stays, including my coworker almost losing his life to this as I documented in this thread. This has been very personal for many. Masks aren't perfect when you are around this virus all day, but should BE COMBINED with social distancing when it allows for best protection. Were you really trying to make a point about wearing a mask when you aren't around anyone (I mean yeah, it's not needed)?

I haven't made a single ****ing political post in this thread. I think we can fully see now that full lockdowns probably aren't the answer as when they end, the virus ramps up it's spread. Instead, making a national mask mandate and recommending social distancing, with all business open would have probably been the best plan from the start. But many places were too slow to act and had to go into full lockdowns in surge states. The CDC hasn't helped one bit and neither have the politicians on both side of this virus.

But you can't tell me that a large portion of this country wants even basic precautions like mask wearing to end. If you can't even wear a mask and understand it's basic use in public, then we can all assume you think we should be doing nothing about this virus. That may not be you, but it sure seems like many in the USA and on this board fit that description.

Thats a lot of words to say jack shit Lew. And yea I am not a "front line worker" I'll make sure to mail you your merit badge, I only work in a place with 800 "essential" people who all have families etc...and have to try to keep the place running through all of this without putting unnecessary risk on any anyone. WTF would I know right?

BTW my daughter has had Covid which means her, my son in law and my 3 grandkids the youngest being 3 months were at risk. I didn't panic, I trusted the data.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Thats a lot of words to say jack shit Lew. And yea I am not a "front line worker" I'll make sure to mail you your merit badge, I only work in a place with 800 "essential" people who all have families etc...and have to try to keep the place running through all of this without putting unnecessary risk on any anyone. WTF would I know right?

BTW my daughter has had Covid which means her, my son in law and my 3 grandkids the youngest being 3 months were at risk. I didn't panic, I trusted the data.

It sucks those people are putting their health in the hands of someone who thinks this virus infects only old people with shitty immune systems.

[lewdog]

That’s good to hear on your family. How did they know they wouldn’t have a problem if they got COVID? If you can solve that riddle this could all be over! I’ll let the healthy front line workers who’ve needed hospital care themselves know you’re working on this!

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by lewdog

That’s good to hear on your family. How did they know they wouldn’t have a problem if they got COVID? If you can solve that riddle this could all be over! I’ll let the healthy front line workers who’ve needed hospital care themselves know you’re working on this!

You specifically said in this thread you weren’t going to quarantine from your family. How did you know they wouldn’t have a problem if they got it?

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

You specifically said in this thread you weren’t going to quarantine from your family. How did you know they wouldn’t have a problem if they got it?

I didn’t which is pretty stressful since I’d see healthy coworkers need hospital care in the prior months. But I have a 2 year old and he was throwing fits with a closed door so I knew quickly that wouldn’t work. I never had the choice to work from home through this, so we had discussed all scenarios when this started. I decided not to quarantine after his fit and wear a mask in the house. Wife had it by the next day so then it didn’t matter.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by lewdog

It sucks those people are putting their health in the hands of someone who thinks this virus infects only old people with shitty immune systems.

Lew you are a smart enough guy to know the data and understand it. You are way way too emotional on the topic to think objectively and posts like this prove it.

[lewdog]

It’s goes back to the argument about this only being about old people. During the peak 2 months in AZ, 10% of people testing positive in the age range of 44-65 needed hospital care to beat this virus. They didn’t die but needing hospital care for that many people, many who are healthy, should be taken seriously. That’s all I’m asking. Many in AZ are asking the state to stop the mask mandate. It makes no sense. Wear masks and keep business open. Drop masks and have this spread like wildfire again and businesses will close again.

[lewdog]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Lew you are a smart enough guy to know the data and understand it. You are way way too emotional on the topic to think objectively and posts like this prove it.

I won’t argue about the emotional part. I’m worn down.

While I understand the data and my statistical chance of this wrecking me, it’s still too variable for adults of all ages to not have basic precautions in place. I’ve personally known too many healthy people have a hard time with this. It saddens and angers me that many in this country would prefer we just pretend it’s not here and do nothing different.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by lewdog

I won’t argue about the emotional part. I’m worn down.

While I understand the data and my statistical chance of this wrecking me, it’s still too variable for adults of all ages to not have basic precautions in place. I’ve personally known too many healthy people have a hard time with this. It saddens and angers me that many in this country would prefer we just pretend it’s not here and do nothing different.

Yeah, it’s ok to have some compassion and empathy.

I’m 33 and healthy. Ride my bike daily, Eat well etc. I am staying away from my parents who are older and have some health issues mom in particular. Just being smart about it and thinking of others isn’t hard to do imo

[stumppy]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Mainly from nursing homes where people have been locked down and supposedly been masked up and following protocols for months now.

Got a link to your shitty take?

[TLO]

More and more information coming out about Vitamin D and its benifits when it comes to covid.

[Donger]

53,629 new cases yesterday.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Donger

53,629 new cases yesterday.

And? You realize it isn't going away right?

[Donger]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

And?

That's not very good and it's increasing, unfortunately.

[BWillie]

If the IFR is really around 0.6% then around 35M to even 40M Americans have had Covid-19. Which would be about 11% of the population. How far will that go to curbing the spread since 1 out of 10 Americans have at least some protection or antibodies? How long after recovery from the virus is one USUALLY immune?