***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[bricks]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

There are finite resources both to make and to make the vaccine from. I agree it is too long but it is what it is. There are reasons they are talking about 18 month cycle and hoping it is seasonal which is looking less likely with the continuing outbreak in warmer climates.

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Yeah thats another crazy thing about this virus on how it seems to be heat resistant. Im surprised because I would think most bacteria and/or viruses have tendency to die under hot temperatures or conditions. Not this guy.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

How many elderly live in Italy again ??

Yeah so the fact that you arent in the at risk age group who cares right? That's the attitude!

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

Did you read the name of this thread?

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Sure did. And you can't have it both ways either. Especially when we have particular corrupt institutions ruddering the ship causing a lot of this way overreaction without the stats to support such action BUT I get all of this overreaction because it is done more to CYA than actual panic IMHO due to our society being such a litigious society now(sue at the drop of a hat). And this is what happens in a society when there is a lack of trust in the reporting outlets not giving this a proper context.

[EPodolak]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

It already has my friend.

I would've thought this was a virus the Pestilence and Plague crowd could get behind.

[cdcox]

Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

There is a measured way to deal with this... micro-target the containment and mitigation strategies to minimize disruption to business/society.

People in high risk groups should individually social distance (this is a regular best practice when people have compromised immune systems such as cancer patients going through chemotherapy).

Also as is done with the flu and food borne outbreaks, target mitigation actions towards specific locations that are experiencing a surge of cases (i.e. you don’t close every restaurant in a state or a city if you can target a norovirus food borne outbreak to a specific restaurant).

We are not able to test enough people to have any idea where the hot spots are or even how many cases we have.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by bricks

Yeah thats another crazy thing about this virus on how it seems to be heat resistant. Im surprised because I would think most bacteria and/or viruses have tendency to die under hot temperatures or conditions. Not this guy.

Just think if mosquitos could carry it....

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

Yeah so the fact that you arent in the at risk age group who cares right? That's the attitude!

Wrong again. I am at risk according to age. I just take good care of myself keeping my immune system bolstered at all times as best I can.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by lewdog

Hopefully all your praying will be enough to save us all instead.

That's funny I bet you are in much better shape than him and I know you have a family. For anyone to call you lazy because you are concerned about your way of providing for your family is just so internet.

[BWillie]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Wrong again. I am at risk according to age. I just take good care of myself keeping my immune system bolstered at all times as best I can.

Also, make sure you pray alot.

[srvy]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

The government has said they are going to pay for 2 weeks of sick time.

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What about service workers who get paid less than minimum wage and rely on tips? They cannot make up for that.

[ReynardMuldrake]

[IowaHawkeyeChief]

Originally Posted by cdcox

We are not able to test enough people to have any idea where the hot spots are or even how many cases we have.

Wouldn't more people be dying in said hotspots... whether tested or not?

[MOhillbilly]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Sucks if you had a wedding planned. Even average sized weddings and receptions will no longer be allowed with a 50 person limit.

Don’t forget funerals

[Chief Pagan]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

How many elderly live in Italy again ??

23% of Italians are over 65. For the US it is 15%.

And the Italian health care system has collapsed in the sense they are doing triage to decide which patients to turn their backs on.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Wrong again. I am at risk according to age. I just take good care of myself keeping my immune system bolstered at all times as best I can.

Well best of luck to ya if heaven forbid you lose your health. Pretty smug attitude.