***NON-POLITICAL COVID-19 Discussion Thread***

[JakeF]

A couple of reminders...

Originally Posted by Bwana

Once again, don't come in this thread with some kind of political agenda, or you will be shown the door. If you want to go that route, there is a thread about this in DC.

Originally Posted by Dartgod

People, there is a lot of good information in this thread, let's try to keep the petty bickering to a minimum.

We all have varying opinions about the impact of this, the numbers, etc. We will all never agree with each other. But we can all keep it civil.

Thanks!

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Spoiler!

Apparently the CoronaVirus can survive on a inanimate objects, such as door knobs, for 9 days.

California coronavirus case could be first spread within U.S. community, CDC says
By SOUMYA KARLAMANGLA, JACLYN COSGROVE
FEB. 26, 2020 8:04 PM

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is investigating what could be the first case of novel coronavirus in the United States involving a patient in California who neither recently traveled out of the country nor was in contact with someone who did.

“At this time, the patient’s exposure is unknown. It’s possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States,” the CDC said in a statement. “Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It’s also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.”

The individual is a resident of Solano County and is receiving medical care in Sacramento County, according to the state Department of Public Health.

The CDC said the “case was detected through the U.S. public health system — picked up by astute clinicians.”

Officials at UC Davis Medical Center expanded on what the federal agency might have meant by that in an email sent Wednesday, as reported by the Davis Enterprise newspaper.

The patient arrived at UC Davis Medical Center from another hospital Feb. 19 and “had already been intubated, was on a ventilator, and given droplet protection orders because of an undiagnosed and suspected viral condition,” according to an email sent by UC Davis officials that was obtained by the Davis Enterprise.

The staff at UC Davis requested COVID-19 testing by the CDC, but because the patient didn’t fit the CDC’s existing criteria for the virus, a test wasn’t immediately administered, according to the email. The CDC then ordered the test Sunday, and results were announced Wednesday. Hospital administrators reportedly said in the email that despite these issues, there has been minimal exposure at the hospital because of safety protocols they have in place.

A UC Davis Health spokesperson declined Wednesday evening to share the email with The Times.

Since Feb. 2, more than 8,400 returning travelers from China have entered California, according to the state health department. They have been advised to self-quarantine for 14 days and limit interactions with others as much as possible, officials said.

“This is a new virus, and while we are still learning about it, there is a lot we already know,” Dr. Sonia Angell, director of the California Department of Public Health, said in a statement. “We have been anticipating the potential for such a case in the U.S., and given our close familial, social and business relationships with China, it is not unexpected that the first case in the U.S. would be in California.”

It is not clear how the person became infected, but public health workers could not identify any contacts with people who had traveled to China or other areas where the virus is widespread. That raises concern that the virus is spreading in the United States, creating a challenge for public health officials, experts say.

“It’s the first signal that we could be having silent transmission in the community,” said Lawrence Gostin, director of the World Health Organization Collaborating Center on National and Global Health Law. “It probably means there are many more cases out there, and it probably means this individual has infected others, and now it’s a race to try to find out who that person has infected.”

On Tuesday, the CDC offered its most serious warning to date that the United States should expect and prepare for the coronavirus to become a more widespread health issue.

“Ultimately, we expect we will see coronavirus spread in this country,” said Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases. “It’s not so much a question of if, but a question of when.”

According to the CDC’s latest count Wednesday morning, 59 U.S. residents have tested positive for the new strain of coronavirus — 42 of whom are repatriated citizens from a Diamond Princess cruise. That number has grown by two since Messonnier’s last count Tuesday, although the CDC was not immediately available to offer details on the additional cases.

More than 82,000 cases of coronavirus have been reported globally, and more than 2,700 people have died, with the majority in mainland China, the epicenter of the outbreak.

But public health leaders have repeatedly reminded residents that the health risk from the novel coronavirus to the general public remains low.

“While COVID-19 has a high transmission rate, it has a low mortality rate,” the state Department of Public Health said in a statement Wednesday. “From the international data we have, of those who have tested positive for COVID-19, approximately 80% do not exhibit symptoms that would require hospitalization. There have been no confirmed deaths related to COVID-19 in the United States to date.”

CDC officials have also warned that although the virus is likely to spread in U.S. communities, the flu still poses a greater risk.

Gostin said the news of potential silent transmission does not eliminate the possibility of containing the virus in the U.S. and preventing an outbreak.

“There are few enough cases that we should at least try,” he said. “Most of us are not optimistic that that will be successful, but we’re still in the position to try.”

[TLO]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Our 7 day average in cases and deaths is the highest it has been here in MO. A lot of people just don’t care anymore.

A lot of people didn't care in the first place. Now add in a cohort of people who are fatigued by all the precautions and now it's Missouri's turn to experience the virus on a broad level.

I keep thinking we're eventually gonna turn the corner. But idk when at this point.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Our 7 day average in cases and deaths is the highest it has been here in MO. A lot of people just don’t care anymore.

Probably

I think it’s just more of an example why it should have been phased lockdowns instead of a single broad one

[O.city]

Originally Posted by TLO

A lot of people didn't care in the first place. Now add in a cohort of people who are fatigued by all the precautions and now it's Missouri's turn to experience the virus on a broad level.

I keep thinking we're eventually gonna turn the corner. But idk when at this point.

If you look at other areas and their timelines, we should be about 2/3 weeks from it bending

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by TLO

Not sure why people are down voting this. The team that completed the study said this in a press release.

Warmer weather is something I strongly believe factors in as well - based on a bunch of stuff I've read. I worry when it gets cold the virus will be viable for a lot longer in the air and on surfaces.

Also some experts believe one of the reasons for seasonal cold and flu is the transfer from cold/dry air to hot/heated indoor air plays havoc with our mucus membranes - which are the first line of defense.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Warmer weather is something I strongly believe factors in as well - based on a bunch of stuff I've read. I worry when it gets cold the virus will be viable for a lot longer in the air and on surfaces.

Also some experts believe one of the reasons for seasonal cold and flu is the transfer from cold/dry air to hot/heated indoor air plays havoc with our mucus membranes - which are the first line of defense.

Lack of humidity in the winter contributes as well because it dries you up.

[O.city]

When it’s warm and summer we can also get outside and away from each other

Can’t do that very easily in the winter

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Our 7 day average in cases and deaths is the highest it has been here in MO. A lot of people just don’t care anymore.

Apathy is to be expected when every time you turn around someone or something is in your face about Covid. It has been over 6 months now and people have been told to stay home, have lost or in some cases have had to quit their job, many are playing Teacher for their kids and they can't leave their house without a mask on their face.

Many people understand that the majority of the risk is people who are elderly and at risk for a lot of things or people with other underlyings.

Either way the message of "you may not have it but you don't know so you must act like you do even if you don't" wears thin after a while. It's human nature.

And now you see all the countries in Europe that many of you held up in envy starting to go through the threat of a second round of lockdowns and it gets old.

The constant moving of the goal posts. The overinflation or otherwise purposely misleading information also wears on people. Almost half of our deaths have come from nursing homes or assisted living facilities. That isn't because of Covid but because of decisions that were made.

And the complete and total myopic take on this as witnesses by people like Suzzer also wears people wrong. Some of you want to focus strictly on Covid and ignore the Covide-related issues. Suzzer completely downplayed students committing suicide and told them to suck it up when in reality the fact is at any other time he would be realizing those are actually Covid caused deaths.

Frankly I've about had it myself. You can't write off kids committing suicide over a virus that by in large effects the elderly and those who are already in a limited capacity for any kind of illness be it Covid or the flu.

The media and the fear mongers want to tout the 200k death toll when in reality it's probably closer to 100k because if Covid and 100k because of dumb decisions our leaders made. Don't get me wrong, 100k is nothing to scoff at by any means. But I find it ironic that people who scream fear in the name of safety have not necessarily practiced what they preached.

I look at this way, I don't wanna die from Covid and the odds are I most likely would not. I don't want my kid to get and die from Covid and the odds are he most likely won't. Those who would well, let's sat I have one elderly family member screaming masks, masks, MASKS and the other tons of family or elderly people I meet saying "I can die from a million things but I am not about to live out my remaining days in fear".

When people start looking at Covid for what it is and not what they think or want it to be then things will get a lot better for everyone.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

When it’s warm and summer we can also get outside and away from each other

Can’t do that very easily in the winter

Okay, 4 months ago people on here were swearing the warm weather would no nothing to curb Covid, Donger being one of the main ones. Now suddenly it's the new boogie man we can latch onto.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by TLO

Not sure why people are down voting this. The team that completed the study said this in a press release.

Because in March and April when everyone was saying warmer weather would help, people like Donger and Suzzer were there to argue otherwise.

And because Suzzer is just a plain ****ing dickwad.

[O.city]

Those other elderly people who don’t want to “live in fear” can contract this from someone who isn’t symptomatic yet and be severely ill and dead in 5 days. Ask me how I know.

Or the other 50 year old healthy people who don’t wanna change anything in their lives who are now on ventilators. Ask me how I know about that.

I’ve seen anecdotal evidence about childhood suicides, but I don’t see kids dying left and right from suicide around here or on the news, so I’m guessing that’s just anecdotal. The data is the data on it right?

Of course it’s human nature to get worn out on it after this long. That’s why everyone talked about controlling it early, but we didn’t and here we are. So, dig in mates, it’s only gonna get worse before it gets better.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by petegz28

Okay, 4 months ago people on here were swearing the warm weather would no nothing to curb Covid, Donger being one of the main ones. Now suddenly it's the new boogie man we can latch onto.

Warm weather likely did help. People should have been told to get outside and not be in congregated groups in poor ventilated areas inside.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

Those other elderly people who don’t want to “live in fear” can contract this from someone who isn’t symptomatic yet and be severely ill and dead in 5 days. Ask me how I know.

Or the other 50 year old healthy people who don’t wanna change anything in their lives who are now on ventilators. Ask me how I know about that.

I’ve seen anecdotal evidence about childhood suicides, but I don’t see kids dying left and right from suicide around here or on the news, so I’m guessing that’s just anecdotal. The data is the data on it right?

Of course it’s human nature to get worn out on it after this long. That’s why everyone talked about controlling it early, but we didn’t and here we are. So, dig in mates, it’s only gonna get worse before it gets better.

That's the thing about anecdotal evidence, though.

Despite being in a "hotspot" for the better part of the last 6 months, I know of more suicides than CASES (not deaths from COVID, cases). In my group of friends and acquaintances, only two people have had COVID. One of them has lung cancer AND COPD, and recovered in about 3 weeks. I've had 3 acquaintances commit suicide.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

That's the thing about anecdotal evidence, though.

Despite being in a "hotspot" for the better part of the last 6 months, I know of more suicides than CASES (not deaths from COVID, cases). In my group of friends and acquaintances, only two people have had COVID. One of them has lung cancer AND COPD, and recovered in about 3 weeks. I've had 3 acquaintances commit suicide.

I guess I should say like I was told in this thread when I talked about my family having deaths from this that “the data is the data”. Whatever that means.

I’ve had about 15 cases in my family, multiple deaths and hospitalizations up to this point. All from a single event and now it’s happening on the other side of my family in a similar fashion.

I haven’t heard of anyone in my area having issues with depression or any mental issues.

Am I supposed to take that as a fact it’s not happening. Of ****ing course not.

God forbid we have some ****ing empathy for other people who are struggling with anything. ****.

[petegz28]

Originally Posted by O.city

Those other elderly people who don’t want to “live in fear” can contract this from someone who isn’t symptomatic yet and be severely ill and dead in 5 days. Ask me how I know.

Or the other 50 year old healthy people who don’t wanna change anything in their lives who are now on ventilators. Ask me how I know about that.

I’ve seen anecdotal evidence about childhood suicides, but I don’t see kids dying left and right from suicide around here or on the news, so I’m guessing that’s just anecdotal. The data is the data on it right?

Of course it’s human nature to get worn out on it after this long. That’s why everyone talked about controlling it early, but we didn’t and here we are. So, dig in mates, it’s only gonna get worse before it gets better.

You don't seem to get it, guy. Those elderly people who "don't want to live in fear" accept the risks with their own free will. It's not for you to tell them they can get sick and die. The know that and choose to do what they do anyway.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by TLO

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Originally Posted by O.city

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Originally Posted by petegz28

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I am sure apathy and a few other factors play a big part in this but I think at this point it is mostly political for whatever unfathomable reason.

I look back on this and many people said for many months just to wear a silly mask and test we could get almost get back to normal.

Just look at pro sports, they wear masks all the time and test constantly and guess what, they have little to no cases.

If we would have done this alot sooner covid would be mostly low. Now we are just plateaued at 35k-50k daily cases and 700-1000 daily deaths. I don't hold out any hope for this to get better until there is wide spread vaccine use.

The stupidity of people have kind of beaten me down at this point and is why I haven't been in this thread much of late.