Jordan Rodgers in three years?

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Okay, a few years back, I wanted Jay Cutler to be the Chiefs QBOTF.

Then, I wanted Matt Ryan.

Then, Matt Stafford, or maybe even Josh Freeman.

Of course I would love to get Luck, but that isn't going to happen.

I just got through watching Jordan Rodgers and Vanderbilt play the Gators. The Commodores were robbed by a lack of a PI call late in the game.

But, that kid looks awesome. More athletic and a better arm than Luck. Doesn't have quite the 'touch' and accuracy that Luck has. But, he is going to the Harvard of the South. So, you know he is smart.

So, I am calling it now. I want the Chiefs to draft him in three years when he comes out.

Oh, and he is Aaron Rodgers brother.... not that it really matters, but I thought I would point it out.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I totally disagree.

Eli isn't 'great', but he is good. A top 10 QB, IMO. Cassel is a top 20 QB, IMO.

I figure Cassel is around 15-18. I figure that Eli is 7-10.

But, he obviously is second to his big brother.... and well below the HOF category.

A quick look at nfl.com reveals you to be right, he's having a pretty good year.

Must be a personal bias, i've just never cared for his play.

[Thig Lyfe]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I totally disagree.

Eli isn't 'great', but he is good. A top 10 QB, IMO. Cassel is a top 20 QB, IMO.

I figure Cassel is around 15-18. I figure that Eli is 7-10.

But, he obviously is second to his big brother.... and well below the HOF category.

Plz name the 14-17+ quarterbacks Cassel is somehow better than

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by SportsRacer

Plz name the 14-17+ quarterbacks Cassel is somehow better than

Tebow/Orton
Palmer/Campbell
Gabbert
Jackson
Sanchez
Henne/Moore
McNabb/Ponder
Hasselbeck
Kolb
Grossman
Colt McCoy
Painter


And, you can argue that this year, he is better than Flacco, Freeman, Bradford, Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Tony Romo.


The reality is that over the last two years, he has been solidly around the middle of the pack. Not great, not horrible, just average to above average.

He had trouble adjusting to the team in 2009 and the Chiefs had very little talent. But, in 2010 and 2011, he has played much better than he gets credit for here. And, he looks better and better.

Cassel is 28-26 as a starter. Considering the 2009 team he got stuck with, it is a very respectable record.

I am not saying he is a top 5 guy, but he is better than most on this board realize.

[FAX]

Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

He looks pretty good on some of these. The thing that stands out to me about him is, he has good pocket presence, he's extremely fast, and looks to have solid ball placement.

Good footwork, apparently. And it looks like he never incompletes a pass.

FAX

[FAX]

After watching that awesome video thing, a question comes to mind.

You don't see too many NFL quarterbacks roll out these days. It's mainly straight drop-back passing. I read about how Stram invented the "moving pocket" with Lenny that helped them win a lot of games. I wonder why teams don't roll out much anymore?

FAX

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by FAX

After watching that awesome video thing, a question comes to mind.

You don't see too many NFL quarterbacks roll out these days. It's mainly straight drop-back passing. I read about how Stram invented the "moving pocket" with Lenny that helped them win a lot of games. I wonder why teams don't roll out much anymore?

FAX

Some do, but for the most part, the teams invest millions and millions of dollars in QB's. Rolling them out often gives the defense much more of a free shot on them.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by RUSH

Nope, you're wrong.

He's a redshirt junior, meaning he already used his redshirt. So he only has the rest of this year and next year left.

Then please explain how Luck, a rSr, could stay at Stanford for another year. You don't "use up" your redshirt year. Redshirting someone is removing them from competition for 1 whole year. They are only allowed to suit up and not play in competition. A player has 4 years of eligibility. 1 year of eligibility is used up if that player steps on the field 1 time during a game. If they don't step out on to that field they have, get this..., 4 years of eligibility left even though they were on the team.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by FAX

After watching that awesome video thing, a question comes to mind.

You don't see too many NFL quarterbacks roll out these days. It's mainly straight drop-back passing. I read about how Stram invented the "moving pocket" with Lenny that helped them win a lot of games. I wonder why teams don't roll out much anymore?

FAX

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Some do, but for the most part, the teams invest millions and millions of dollars in QB's. Rolling them out often gives the defense much more of a free shot on them.

The moving pocket is not the same thing as the QB rolling out.

While Lenny did roll out in the moving pocket, the protection rolled out with him, hence the name.

The protection on the QBs rolling out today is not rolling with him.

They'll have a lineman or two move with him, but the Chiefs entire unit moved with Lenny.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

The moving pocket is not the same thing as the QB rolling out.

While Lenny did roll out in the moving pocket, the protection rolled out with him, hence the name.

The protection on the QBs rolling out today is not rolling with him.

They'll have a lineman or two move with him, but the Chiefs entire unit moved with Lenny.

I will take your word for it. I didn't know the entire line moved with him.

Seems impractical. I have a ton to do this morning, but I look forward to looking it up later.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I will take your word for it. I didn't know the entire line moved with him.

Seems impractical. I have a ton to do this morning, but I look forward to looking it up later.

I'm not sure I can describe this properly, but I'll do my best.

The primary reason that Stram created the moving pocket is that the O-Line, for that day and age, was huge compared to the other lines in the AFL and NFL.

But they were also fast and athletic, and combined with Dawson's mobility, Stram saw it as a way to create clear passing lanes for Dawson.

When Lenny rolled out, the line rolled with him, but at an angle.
It eliminated half the field as a target for Lenny, but he had a clear vision of the field on the half that he rolled to.

[RUSH]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Then please explain how Luck, a rSr, could stay at Stanford for another year. You don't "use up" your redshirt year. Redshirting someone is removing them from competition for 1 whole year. They are only allowed to suit up and not play in competition. A player has 4 years of eligibility. 1 year of eligibility is used up if that player steps on the field 1 time during a game. If they don't step out on to that field they have, get this..., 4 years of eligibility left even though they were on the team.

Really? You can't just google this instead of talking out of your ass?

First, Luck is a redshirt junior just like Rodgers is. He is not a RS Senior like you say. Academically, he's a senior.

Luck redshirted his first year on campus so that means he had 4 years of eligibility left after that redshirt year. He has started the next 3 years and has 1 year eligibility left if he wants it, but everyone knows that this is his last year.

As for Rodgers, he played 2 years at a junior college which uses up 2 years of eligibility. He then redshirted at Vandy in 2010 due to a shoulder injury. So therefore he has two years of eligilbility left, this current season and next season.

http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m..._jordan00.html

You're wrong.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Then please explain how Luck, a rSr, could stay at Stanford for another year. You don't "use up" your redshirt year. Redshirting someone is removing them from competition for 1 whole year. They are only allowed to suit up and not play in competition. A player has 4 years of eligibility. 1 year of eligibility is used up if that player steps on the field 1 time during a game. If they don't step out on to that field they have, get this..., 4 years of eligibility left even though they were on the team.

Please stop being stupid.