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well.... when the national pundits crapped all over the chiefs for both selecting mahomes AND the draft capital they gave up , it was all Dorsey . when smith started at QB the next year and people thought they should have helped the defense it was all Dorsey. when Dorsey got canned ( and he sucked at people skills AND cap management / contracts) and a relatively unknown and unproven Veach took over THEN AND ONLY THEN did the "Veach as a scout is the only scout in nfl history who is responsible for his GM's draft pick" myth arrive. timing is everything in life. , don't get mesmerized by the laundry and attempt to think critically. or just keep washing the wrinkles right out of Veach's balls . be my guest
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08-22-2023, 08:46 PM | #3 |
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08-22-2023, 08:56 PM | #4 |
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08-23-2023, 01:09 AM | #5 |
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It's wild that a guy who drafted Mahomes, Hill, Kelce and Jones gets so little credit. I'd much rather have Veach but JFC those draft picks are insane and absolutely essential to our SBs.
I agree Veach is an all-round better GM and any sustained success is on him. But I'm happy to give that insufferable p**** Dorsey his dues as well. |
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08-23-2023, 08:38 AM | #6 |
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08-22-2023, 12:08 PM | #7 |
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08-22-2023, 12:21 PM | #8 |
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Veach was largely responsible for getting Mahomes in KC.
He's done a great job giving the offensive line, and now the wide receiver room longterm stability. He's been truly elite at finding low-rounders and UDFAs, and bargain bin trades. It's legitimately absurd how good he is at that. He's given the DE room a lot of talent, we'll see how it develops over time. He's built one of the best LB rooms in the NFL, and of course has constructed a secondary on a shoestring budget. His drafts, with the exception of the 2018 abomination, have given the Chiefs Pro Bowl caliber players every single year. And even though he has signed some stinker deals over the years, he has done an elite job of managing the cap and mitigating those mistakes as much as he could. He will take risks as well, which work for him as often as they don't. The Tyreek Hill trade was a masterclass, and the Mahomes contract was the best contract in NFL history until the Jalen Hurts deal came down the pipeline. It's really, really hard to complain about him as GM. He's been the best we've ever had, though I think John Dorsey's drafting record was stronger. Veach has been superior literally everywhere else. That being said, the Chris Jones drama could end up being the biggest blunder of his tenure here. It's not that he needs to cave as soon as possible to Jones, it's that he should have been able to detect how impossible this was going to be early in the process, like he did with Tyreek, so he can pawn him off for the highest possible return, which he would have gotten this offseason. Now both teams are stuck in this toxic dance, where the Chiefs are going to have to slowly work in a disgruntled Jones into the rotation and hope he plays well enough that he can still net the team a nice return in a trade, assuming he doesn't come way down. |
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08-22-2023, 02:36 PM | #9 |
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You do realize we have actual first hand accounts of all parties involved, right?
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08-22-2023, 02:44 PM | #10 |
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you do realize that scouts make assessments every day of the week . veach made an assessment . so did Dorsey . Dorsey made the deal. Dorsey took the heat until mahomes became mahomes. name one other draft pick who gets attributed to a scout , not the actual GM. also please name me all of the nfl top 100 players veahch has either drafted, signed as a free agent or traded for in 5 years. I am waiting . ........
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Wut? Pretty obvious you haven't read ANY of the multiple articles on the subject, but Veachs involvement was MUCH more than just an 'assessment'.
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08-22-2023, 03:08 PM | #15 |
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I'm a bit shocked we still have Dorsey stans around here. As good as his eye for talent is, the fact he hasn't been able to land even a Director of Football Operations job should be a pretty massive tell for what the league thinks of him as a GM.
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