I want our next HC to be the DC from the Pats

[Red Dawg]

that guy must be a miracle worker. They've had a ton of injuroes and still field a great defense. That's who I want after DV.

[bideau]

Originally Posted by Swanman

That was very surprising that the Pats held onto both coordinators, because both of their names came up in just about every job opening. I guess there's a certain allure to being with a winning organization.

The thing that impresses me about the Pats is that they have a lot of good football players. What I mean by that is they have players that are good at their position, but they're willing and able to play other positions if the team needs it. Troy Brown and Mike Vrabel come to mind. I loved the quote from Brown when asked about what he told Bellichek about playing nickel corner - "I'm a football player". Most prima-donnas in this league would be worried about their receiving stats going down, but players on the Pats are just concerned about winning and that impresses me a lot.

A little known fact about the Pats is that they have more players making $1 million+ than any other team. They believe that you don't need the best player at a few positions, but you need a top 10 player at most positions. The team is built on depth. At this time of year when starters are going down, the Pats are pluggin in a player that is not great, but at least very good.

Depth also helps keep players fresh during the games. The Pats rotate six defensive linemen and seven linebackers continuously throughout the game . Earlier in the season, they were using seven offensive linemen. Injuries have put a stop to that (it's currently one of the two thinnest positions on the team along with DB).

[Annihilus]

Originally Posted by Swanman

The thing that impresses me about the Pats is that they have a lot of good football players. What I mean by that is they have players that are good at their position, but they're willing and able to play other positions if the team needs it. Troy Brown and Mike Vrabel come to mind. I loved the quote from Brown when asked about what he told Bellichek about playing nickel corner - "I'm a football player". Most prima-donnas in this league would be worried about their receiving stats going down, but players on the Pats are just concerned about winning and that impresses me a lot.

As fans I can tell you that we all love that attitude too - and we have all become very spoiled during the last three years because of it. It's almost like living in a dream and is very weird to see other cities starting to hate you because of it. VERY weird, but not altogether unpleasant.

As a 20 year Pats fan, I am enjoying this ride immensely, but know that it won't last forever and one of these days the other shoe will drop and we'll be that 1-15 team that everyone laughs at. I just hope that day is a long time coming.....

[Brock]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

So in this land of 10 million lawyers your saying that Pioli's contract is unbreakable huh?

Like Lamar Hunt would even put forth the effort of a phone call.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Swanman

The Eugene Wilson draft pick was a mix of luck and great talent evaluation. Getting a guy in the 2nd/3rd round as a corner and turning him into one of the better hard-hitting safeties is a pretty fortunate turn of events. Luck definitely plays into it, but in that case the coaches/front office saw something that others didn't and that's where you get the advantage. I watched Eugene play for four years at Illinois, and he SUCKED his senior year after a great junior year so I was even surprised he went as high as he did. CP could take about 10,578 lessons from the Pats front office.

I really dont know where you got Eugene Wilson out of my Brady reference...

NE was mediocre at best with Bledsoe as QB. It all turned around when Brady came in that year. I believe NE started the season 1-3 that year.

If KC got a playmaker on Defense the equal to what Brady did for NE's offense this team and last years team are SB material.

[Annihilus]

Originally Posted by bideau

Depth also helps keep players fresh during the games. The Pats rotate six defensive linemen and seven linebackers continuously throughout the game . Earlier in the season, they were using seven offensive linemen. Injuries have put a stop to that (it's currently one of the two thinnest positions on the team along with DB).

Keeping in the spirit of this thread and Co-ordinators - The Pats are pretty deep as far as coaches go too. BB's been around the block for a long time and knows a lot of people. If there ever was a plug & play coaching staff, he's developing it now. I am very curious to see how RAC & Weis do outside of the system (not to mention how their replacements do).

[bideau]

Originally Posted by Swanman

The Eugene Wilson draft pick was a mix of luck and great talent evaluation. Getting a guy in the 2nd/3rd round as a corner and turning him into one of the better hard-hitting safeties is a pretty fortunate turn of events. Luck definitely plays into it, but in that case the coaches/front office saw something that others didn't and that's where you get the advantage. I watched Eugene play for four years at Illinois, and he SUCKED his senior year after a great junior year so I was even surprised he went as high as he did. CP could take about 10,578 lessons from the Pats front office.

The Wilson move to free safety was born out of necessity. Milloy had just been cut and his replacement sucked badly. The coaches liked Wilson's effort and figured they'd give it a try. He's learned his hitting from Harrison and already had basic cover skills. He may someday move back to corner, but I think he's found his niche.

[the Talking Can]

I love DV, but I hope he retires....I can't see what's gained by coming back for a lame-duck year....Crennel is certainly worth a look, but we've got problems with contracts (Sims/LJ/Woods/Hicks/Browning) that will make it difficult to turn over the roster and I think in two years Roaf/holmes/Shields/T-Rich/Kennison/Morton will have all retired which means we have a crap load of crucial decisions to make that will determine if we become a good team or the Bengals.....I don't want CP or DV making any of those decisions and I want all our scouting staff to rot in hell

[Undertaker #59]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

So in this land of 10 million lawyers your saying that Pioli's contract is unbreakable huh?

No...but as Jonathon Kraft pointed out - the Chiefs could want to talk to Belichick or Brady also. But they are under contract. It would have to be worked out as a trade.

[HC_Chief]

Here's LJ... now let us talk to Pioli and Crennel

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Here's LJ... now let us talk to Pioli and Crennel

We will throw in Bartee and McCleon also.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

I really dont know where you got Eugene Wilson out of my Brady reference...

NE was mediocre at best with Bledsoe as QB. It all turned around when Brady came in that year. I believe NE started the season 1-3 that year.

If KC got a playmaker on Defense the equal to what Brady did for NE's offense this team and last years team are SB material.

Wilson was another relative no-name in the draft that made an immediate impact on the team.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by Undertaker #59

No...but as Jonathon Kraft pointed out - the Chiefs could want to talk to Belichick or Brady also. But they are under contract. It would have to be worked out as a trade.

Both you and I know that if he wants out he will get out. Running his own team has to be a big allure. Lamar pays his GM/CEO/Presidents real well. Got a fanatical fan base in place. Not a bad deal for him.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by bideau

The Wilson move to free safety was born out of necessity. Milloy had just been cut and his replacement sucked badly. The coaches liked Wilson's effort and figured they'd give it a try. He's learned his hitting from Harrison and already had basic cover skills. He may someday move back to corner, but I think he's found his niche.

I wish the Chiefs front office/coaches would learn from this. It's much easier to move a guy that was a corner into a safety than try to turn a safety into a corner.

Wilson's cover skills deteriorated badly his last season at Illinois due to the stupid defensive scheme they run (and their personnel sucked). They'd blitz all the time leaving the corners on an island so they were forced to give huge cushions (sound familiar?) and then tackle the receiver after a 10 yard catch. So he got real good at tackling but he wasn't able to hone his cover skills in that scheme.

[bideau]

Originally Posted by HC_Chief

Here's LJ... now let us talk to Pioli and Crennel

Sorry, but for Pioli, that'll cost you a 1st rounder in the next draft, not a busted 1st rounder from two years ago. Crennel will cost you nothing since the Pats can't stop him from moving if he gets offered a HC position.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by Swanman

Wilson was another relative no-name in the draft that made an immediate impact on the team.

Ok, but the point I was trying to make was that it wasnt NE's defense that need upgrading it was the QB and OL that were really bad before '01. They rebuilt the OL with a number for UDFA's and 4-7th round picks , but that still wasnt enough until Brady stepped behind center. Then everything changed. Guy just made plays that had to be made.

That would be like KC discovering a DT or Ray Lewis after the previous starter went down.