Interesting Stats for Brodie's First 3 Starts. - Page 3

Pablo · 12-09-2007, 11:33 PM

This is a re-post from a previous thread..at the request of another poster. Basically Brodie looks pretty damn good in comparison to some other HOF QB's in his first 3 starts.

If Brodie still "sucks" and lacks total pocket awareness by the end of next season I'd be worried.

Right now he is making good reads, doing his best behind this line and distributing the ball mostly accurately and timely.

I suppose if we wanted to look at the first three career stats of some HOF'ers to Brodie's we could do that.

Peyton Manning
62/114 - 54%
683 yards
2 TD's/8 INT's
7 Sacks
0-3 record

John Elway
28/62 - 45%
313 yards
1 TD/3 INT's
10 Sacks
2-1 record

Tom Brady
58/101 - 57%
618 yards
2 TD's/0 INT's
8 Sacks
2-1 record

Brodie Croyle
46/79 - 58%
446 yards
2 TD's/2 INT's
10 Sacks
0-3 record

While most of these stats have nothing to do with pocket presence, it's obviously some of the great QB's didn't develop it within 3 games. And Brodie has put up some reasonable numbers for his first few starts.

Hootie · 12-10-2007, 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

Your just gonna nock on him cus your guy SUCKED and you want Brodie to fail too. HUARD FOREVER /

Wrong.

I want Brodie to succeed, I'm a Chiefs fan.

But Herm was right to start Huard...Brodie is going to die behind this line and we have nothing resting on Huard...

Huard and Thigpen should finish out the year, too...fake a knee injury or something for Croyle and put him on IR...if Thigpen and Huard are too injured sign some dude off the street...I don't care.

We should've kept Casey...at least he could run away from pressure...just don't let him pass.

blueballs · 12-10-2007, 12:20 AM

Bigfoot-Pollard-Kiwi-Savii
great players

Rasputin · 12-10-2007, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

Mike Elkins

My bad, how could I've forgoten Mike Elkins

Ari ümlaüt · 12-10-2007, 12:23 AM

Where are you getting this data GonzoRox guy?

Pablo · 12-10-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ümlaüt

Where are you getting this data GonzoRox guy?

Just go to nfl.com.

Then search players, and it gives the option for current and historical players. And it pretty much breaks everything down for you if you select a player, then select their game logs and the year you want to research.

**Rain Man** · 12-10-2007, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Good point. Not many. Not many at all.

FAX

I think, though, that's because his blazing talent tended to heat up the air around him.

listopencil · 12-10-2007, 03:24 AM

Jay Cutler:
48/82-58.53%
592 Yards
6 TD's 3 INT's
8 sacks and a 1-2 record

I guess he's a lock for the HOF.

stumppy · 12-10-2007, 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by listopencil

Jay Cutler:
48/82-58.53%
592 Yards
6 TD's 3 INT's
8 sacks and a 1-2 record

I guess he's a lock for the HOF.

I think he's just comparing the heterosexual QB's.

EDIT :

Oops, my bad. I see he has ole horseface in there too.

thehead · 12-10-2007, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hootie

now compare him to the first three starts by Leaf, Harrington and Carr...

Na just compare him to Huard first 9 years

Mecca · 12-10-2007, 06:41 AM

The only thing I saw that bothered me is that he tried to throw a ball to Kris Wilson with Champ Bailey covering him...

thehead · 12-10-2007, 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

The only thing I saw that bothered me is that he tried to throw a ball to Kris Wilson with Champ Bailey covering him...

Wilson could not catch the ball if he was by him self much less Bailey on him, another wasted draft pick.

tiptap · 12-10-2007, 07:42 AM

I don't think you try to draft a QB the way Croyle is playing. We need better offensive and defensive line play. We wait on the QB to give Croyle a chance. My only concern is his injury record. Get the good line though and a lot of that concern goes away.

**Easy 6** · 12-10-2007, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by tiptap

I don't think you try to draft a QB the way Croyle is playing. We need better offensive and defensive line play. We wait on the QB to give Croyle a chance. My only concern is his injury record. Get the good line though and a lot of that concern goes away.

Exactly, he's doing about as good as a young QB can amid this farce, especially yesterday...the run game was non-existent, balls were being dropped left & right, the pass pro was mostly a joke.

Just like one of the announcers said yesterday "when all is said & done, he's gonna be a good one", so the very last thing i wanna see in the draft, like so many are ALREADY saying, is us taking Brohm or whoever...yeah, lets just keep the QB carousel spinning at full-tilt & not give a good player a chance to develop

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Brodie Croyle - Today, Tomorrow, Next year & the 9 After That.

OctoberFart · 12-10-2007, 08:58 AM

QB's usually start their career pretty good until several game tapes are out on them. I believe it takes 10 games to make a realistic judgement on a QB. Croyle has looked pretty good so far, but he is going to be injury prone just like college unless he can put some pounds on and KC improves the OL.

Big Chief Homer · 12-10-2007, 09:24 AM

There is one variable between brodie and all those other qbs past and present.

Who is tutoring brodie croyle?All of those other qbs in one way or another in some shape or form had someone to mentor them.

What does brodie have in KC? Dick Curl?Huard? a career back up with very little playing time himself.

Lets give the kid some help.A decent o-line and viable qb coach and i think the kid will be pretty good.

12-09-2007, 11:33 PM
Pablo Ultrabanned Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North da River Casino cash: $1529356	Interesting Stats for Brodie's First 3 Starts. This is a re-post from a previous thread..at the request of another poster. Basically Brodie looks pretty damn good in comparison to some other HOF QB's in his first 3 starts. If Brodie still "sucks" and lacks total pocket awareness by the end of next season I'd be worried. Right now he is making good reads, doing his best behind this line and distributing the ball mostly accurately and timely. I suppose if we wanted to look at the first three career stats of some HOF'ers to Brodie's we could do that. Peyton Manning 62/114 - 54% 683 yards 2 TD's/8 INT's 7 Sacks 0-3 record John Elway 28/62 - 45% 313 yards 1 TD/3 INT's 10 Sacks 2-1 record Tom Brady 58/101 - 57% 618 yards 2 TD's/0 INT's 8 Sacks 2-1 record Brodie Croyle 46/79 - 58% 446 yards 2 TD's/2 INT's 10 Sacks 0-3 record While most of these stats have nothing to do with pocket presence, it's obviously some of the great QB's didn't develop it within 3 games. And Brodie has put up some reasonable numbers for his first few starts.
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OctoberFart Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Casino cash: $10006091	QB's usually start their career pretty good until several game tapes are out on them. I believe it takes 10 games to make a realistic judgement on a QB. Croyle has looked pretty good so far, but he is going to be injury prone just like college unless he can put some pounds on and KC improves the OL.
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Big Chief Homer Veteran Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: offseason hell Casino cash: $10009985	There is one variable between brodie and all those other qbs past and present. Who is tutoring brodie croyle?All of those other qbs in one way or another in some shape or form had someone to mentor them. What does brodie have in KC? Dick Curl?Huard? a career back up with very little playing time himself. Lets give the kid some help.A decent o-line and viable qb coach and i think the kid will be pretty good. __________________ “I’m at the prime of my career right now. I’m living life and doing the best I can do right now. We have a really good team on paper, we just have to get the chemistry down and put it all together. There’s no ceiling for Derrick Johnson.”
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