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View Poll Results: Who Had The Best Ever Individual Season In Kansas City Professional Sports History? | |||
1980 Brett | 20 | 23.53% | |
2018 Mahomes | 65 | 76.47% | |
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02-15-2019, 09:45 PM | #31 |
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02-15-2019, 10:16 PM | #32 |
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The best, most analytical way to look at these seasons is to compare them to how much above league average they were in that season.
I think the best stat comparison is Wins Above Replacement in baseball compared to Approximate Value in football. These are both attempts to quantify overall value with their baseline league average performance that season. Brett's 1980 season was worth 9.4 WAR, which isn't even the highest in Royals history. Best WAR season is Zack Greinke's 2009 at 10.4 WAR. It's also tied for 252nd best single season WAR in MLB history. Mahomes' 2018 was 22. That's tied for 16th best AV in NFL history. The highest AV was LaDanian Tomlinson's 2006, at 26. Best AV for a QB is Tom Brady's 24 in 2007. However, Mahomes' season also wasn' the highest in Chiefs history. That belongs to Priest Holmes with a surprising 23 AV in 2002. Seems clear that Mahomes should win this battle, especially when you consider that QB has such huge positional value over other positions that I doubt AV accurately captures it. There are some caveats, however that should be addressed here. First, the rank vs. best seasons in each league history isn't exactly fair since baseball is much older than football. Since the top AV list for the NFL doesn't list a player earlier than 1960, I decided to limit the baseball WAR list to best seasons since 1960. Even then, Brett's 9.4 doesn't even make the top 40. Brett's biggest problem is he missed approximately 1/4 the season. If we normalize for performance per game, we could project Brett's 1980 season would have been worth 12.5 WAR if he had maintained his performance for the full year. That would have put Brett's 1980 as the second best season in MLB history since 1960 had he maintained his performance level over a full year. Here Brett's supporters win some points. The overall quality of Brett's 1980 performance probably does exceed Mahomes' 2018, but Mahomes had the better overall season because he didn't miss 1/4 the year. Of course, limiting baseball to seasons since 1960 is a bit of problem. That excludes some of the biggest icons of the game. That's ignores the entire careers of Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Cy Young, Joe DiMaggio, Satchel Paige, and Ted Williams just to name a few. Also, WAR and AV aren't intended to be precise. They're used to measure large differences between players, rather than to create a reliable "pecking order" of great seasons. Last edited by JohnnyV13; 02-15-2019 at 10:26 PM.. |
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Nice analysis, Johnnyv13.
But yeah, the fact that Patrick Mahomes II didn't miss 1/4 of the season counts. You can't make the record books if you're in the tub...books.
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02-15-2019, 11:31 PM | #34 |
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Mahomes wins this poll, but a few other great seasons were had in KC.
Priest Holmes 27 rushing TD’s in 2003 Justin Houston’s 22 sacks in 2014
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02-15-2019, 11:39 PM | #36 |
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Yes Dante wins some kind of award for most exciting. Tony G said after the return against Denver was the loudest he ever heard Arrowhead.
I feel like Tom Watson winning the British and US Open belongs up there. Also I think Albert Lewis went a few whole seasons where no one threw near him and he blocked a couple of punts. But because CBs weren't famous back then unless they got interceptions, and there was no PFF to tell everyone how good he was, no one remembers or cares. He was so dominant though - the original Revis Island. |
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Then let's get Lewis in the HOF dammit! Can you even imagine the hullaballoo that would happen now if a CB as good as Revis or Bailey in his prime, also had 11 blocked punts? Last edited by suzzer99; 02-15-2019 at 11:54 PM.. |
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Otis Taylor has 1,297 receiving yards in a 14-game season. That equates to 1,482 yards today, which would barely beat Tyreek's 2018 season for the best Chiefs receiving season ever. And he did it in the era of bump and run where the offensive linemen couldn't hold. He averaged 22.4 yards per catch.
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preeki had back to back mvp seasons
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Brett's season is more impressive when you think about it seriously. Mahomes benefits from having 3 All Pro level players catching his passes for most of last season, and those guys turned short gains into long ones, and generally made his life easier than it would have been. See the changes in productivity after the woman kicker got the boot. Mahomes also plays in an NFL geared towards making offense the show piece with rules designed to hamstring defenses. His season is among the most impressive things I've ever seen from a QB, let alone a 2nd year QB in his first year starting. Let's not overvalue it when placing it in history. I look forward to having the privilege of watching a phenom play QB in the NFL over the next hopefully 15+ years, even if it is for KC. I want to say that again, ALL football fans are privileged to be able to watch Mahomes play. I think Mahomes will eclipse this last years performance and it will be just a footnote in a magnificent career.
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02-16-2019, 08:58 AM | #43 |
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Wow - I'd like to say Mahomes......but the NFL today is not what it was 20 years ago (or even 10).
I think the numbers Mahomes put up this past year will be fairly reachable every year (and probably 5-6 QBs out there that could do it too). Brett was at .400 on September 19th. Since 1941, there has only been Gwynn and Brett at 390 or above. And while I love Mahomes and everything so far.........but until he gets us to the super bowl, NOTHING will match this KC Sports moment (for me at least):
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