The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady

[petegz28]

The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady

The blueprint for slowing down Tom Brady isn’t a secret: Play tight man-to-man coverage and hope to get some semblance of pressure on him (without having to blitz, preferably).

The blueprint for allowing Brady to march through your defense ain’t exactly a secret, either, and the Chargers followed it to a tee during their 41-28 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Los Angeles rarely came out of their favored Cover 3 zone — which Chargers defensive coordinator Gus Bradley has been running at a high rate since his days as Seahawks defensive coordinator — and just kind of hoped Brady and New England’s offense would screw up eventually.

It never happened. The Patriots did whatever they wanted offensively — at least in the first half, and it was good enough to all but win the game. The Chargers came out in dime defense early, and New England answered with base personnel (with sets featuring two backs or two tight ends, and sometimes both), which provided a size and strength advantage in the box and allowed the Pats to run for 155 yards on 34 carries. Bradley was praised for playing seven defensive backs at a time against the Ravens, but the strategy did not work at Gillette Stadium, and the Chargers were forced back into a more traditional look with two linebackers on the field.

But personnel wasn’t really the problem with the Chargers’ ill-fated gameplan. Sure, the Patriots ran the ball well, but the passing game was even more efficient. Brady threw for 348 yards on 44 attempts. The problem was Bradley’s insistence on staying in his basic zone coverages, which doomed his defense from the start. Just about everybody watching at home could see this, including Jets DB Jamal Adams, who has been in the league for only two years and already knows you can’t show Brady static zone coverages all game…


Jamal Adams
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@TheAdamsEra
· Jan 13, 2019
The Pats are in 21p & 22p... two backs 1 TE, or 2 backs 2 TE's! You can't have 6 DB's on the field! It just won't work bro! This is old school football!! Just my opinion! Alright I'm gone ✌🏽


Jamal Adams
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@TheAdamsEra
TB12 has been doing this since I was in diapers!! You sitting in zone all game, best believe he will tear you apart!! You have to wrinkle in man switch it up on him, & disguise!!

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Making matters worse, the Chargers, who refused to blitz, could not get close to Brady in the pocket. Los Angeles most likely assumed it could get home with a straight four-man rush with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram firing off the edges, but once it became apparent that such a strategy would not work, an adjustment was needed.


Mike Reiss
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From @ESPNStatsInfo: Chargers did not blitz Tom Brady a single time on his 14 dropbacks in 1st quarter In their wild-card round win over the Ravens, the Chargers blitzed Lamar Jackson only 1 time in 38 dropbacks. Overall, Chargers have pressured Brady just once on 19 dropbacks.

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It never really came. The Chargers sent more pressure in the second half, but, by that point, the game was essentially over with the Pats taking a 35-7 lead into the half.

Now, blitzing Brady isn’t really a viable strategy. The 41-year-old has seen every front and blitz a defense can possibly throw at him, and the numbers show he is more effective when an opponent sends five or more rushers. According to Pro Football Focus, Brady’s passer rating jumped to 102.3 against the blitz in 2018 (from 97.7 overall). If the Chargers weren’t willing to blitz, playing man coverage could have helped put more pressure on the pocket. With defenders attached to receivers, the quarterback typically has to hold onto the ball a beat or two longer, which naturally leads to more pressure. And the numbers reflect that.

Via Sports Info Solutions:

“Across the league, Man Coverage has resulted in a 37.9% Pressure Rate compared to 31.2% in Zone.”

The Chargers did not play much man over the course of the season. Only the Colts played man-to-man at lower rather than Los Angeles did in 2018.



On one hand, the argument could be made that asking your players to do something they might not be comfortable doing isn’t the best strategy for the most important game of the season. On the other hand, trying to use your basic gameplan against a Bill Belichick-coached team is asking to be exploited.

So what should the Chargers have done differently? Playing more pattern matching coverages would have made a lot of sense. Pattern matching — which, ironically, was the brainchild of Belichick and some former assistant named Nick Saban — is a combination of man and zone defenses, where defenders are responsible for certain areas on the field (that’s the zone part) but end up matching up with receivers based on the routes they run (the man part).

More and more NFL teams are favoring pattern matching over traditional spot-dropping zones, which is the best way to deal with these spread offenses taking over the league. At the college level, where seemingly every team is running some form of the spread, you’ll rarely find a defense that isn’t playing some sort of match defense.


Seth Galina
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You have college teams playing press quarters, match cover 3, safeties coming down to be B-gap players, all sorts of front alignments... but in the NFL the only defense in the playbook is Cover 3 spot drop from an under front

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Not the Chargers, though.

Whether it was playing more man, or blitzing, or pattern matching, the Chargers had to do something different to at least try to slow down Tom Brady. They didn’t, and the result should not have been a surprise.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl...dley-tom-brady

[OrtonsPiercedTaint]

Originally Posted by ptlyon

So, kill Tom Brady?

NO! They would put a cross & flowers on that spot( like road accidents). Pats fans would nevah leave.

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No Houston
No Sorenson
No Berry
No Ward
No Lucas

Hell, you had Parker and Shaw and Scandrick in that secondary.

They didn't score 43 on "this" defense....

Correct. It's the only time Bob Sutton hasn't given Tom Brady fits, going back to before the 2 years the Jets went to back-to-back AFCCGs...

Bob Sutton lives to shut down Brady.

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

Originally Posted by OrtonsPiercedTaint

NO! They would put a cross & flowers on that spot( like road accidents). Pats fans would nevah leave.

Be a bunch of nasty candy called "Baaaahstaaaahn Baked Beans" everywhere, and hairy-backed morons with speech-impedements blaring shitty songs like "More Than a Feeling" by Boston and "Love Stinks" by J. Geils Band (sorry, Frazod. I know how much you luzz some Boston. The band. Not the city. Because Boston the city sucks.)

Anyway, it's funny that they have this pre-conceived notion of mongoloid Chiefs fans roasting rabbit in the parking lot of Camarohead...but the truth is, we're pretty close to the same, except we listen to better music, don't talk stupid, eat better food, and aren't nearly as arrogant.

You ever see that episode of South Park where the smug people liked the smell of their own farts?

The New England Patriots fans who are on this board reading this right now are just like that, only not as refined.

[fan4ever]

Originally Posted by Gravedigger

If there's one team I do trust Bob Sutton to coach against, it's the Patriots. We always play them tough and figure them out.

The last four games of the Bob Sutton era against the Patriots his defense has allowed:

10/14/18 - 43 Points
09/7/17 - 27 Points
01/16/16 - 27 Points
09/29/14 - 14 Points

The last few years we had Marcus Peters, which for all his shortcomings, was a pretty great man to man corner in this system. In the first three years of Bob Suttons defenses we were ranked top 10 in many categories. The last three have been worse and worse, as is evidenced by the point differential.

I would say we didn't have things figured out at the beginning of the season, but I do believe our defense is finally starting to come together at the right point, and for whatever reason Sutton's scheme keeps Tom Brady from looking like Tom Brady. We never had a QB who could fight back under Alex Smith, so Tom would get a lead and just not blow it, daring Alex to lead the offense to come back against a middle of the pack defense. Now that Mahomes is across the field, with our defense that seems to have Brady figured out for the most part, I bet they're scared. Of course you can't tell from Bill Belichick's animated expressions and Tom's diva cockiness, but the fans know and they'll be ready this Sunday. Does all that mean that we'll win? Of course not, either we will or we won't at this point, but it sure as shit means we can.

[threebag]

Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut

They kissed his son?

Tonsil Hockey Bro

[farmerchief]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

Hate to burst your bubble but it's most likely going to be
Houston, Nnadi, Jones, Williams, Ford
Hitchens, Ragland
Ward, Fuller, Lucas, Sorenson (Nelson as the nickle)

Who's covering their backs out of the backfield?

[Chris Meck]

You've got to hit him and force the issue. Problem is, you've got to get there with 4 for the most part.

With Jones, Ford, and Houston (and Nnadi and Bailey, and Speaks too for that matter) we're the sort of front that can do it. We'll see.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady

The blueprint for slowing down Tom Brady isn’t a secret: Play tight man-to-man coverage and hope to get some semblance of pressure on him (without having to blitz, preferably).

The blueprint for allowing Brady to march through your defense ain’t exactly a secret, either, and the Chargers followed it to a tee during their 41-28 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Los Angeles rarely came out of their favored Cover 3 zone — which Chargers defensive coordinator Gus Bradley has been running at a high rate since his days as Seahawks defensive coordinator — and just kind of hoped Brady and New England’s offense would screw up eventually.

It never happened. The Patriots did whatever they wanted offensively — at least in the first half, and it was good enough to all but win the game. The Chargers came out in dime defense early, and New England answered with base personnel (with sets featuring two backs or two tight ends, and sometimes both), which provided a size and strength advantage in the box and allowed the Pats to run for 155 yards on 34 carries. Bradley was praised for playing seven defensive backs at a time against the Ravens, but the strategy did not work at Gillette Stadium, and the Chargers were forced back into a more traditional look with two linebackers on the field.

But personnel wasn’t really the problem with the Chargers’ ill-fated gameplan. Sure, the Patriots ran the ball well, but the passing game was even more efficient. Brady threw for 348 yards on 44 attempts. The problem was Bradley’s insistence on staying in his basic zone coverages, which doomed his defense from the start. Just about everybody watching at home could see this, including Jets DB Jamal Adams, who has been in the league for only two years and already knows you can’t show Brady static zone coverages all game…


Jamal Adams
✔
@TheAdamsEra
· Jan 13, 2019
The Pats are in 21p & 22p... two backs 1 TE, or 2 backs 2 TE's! You can't have 6 DB's on the field! It just won't work bro! This is old school football!! Just my opinion! Alright I'm gone ✌🏽


Jamal Adams
✔
@TheAdamsEra
TB12 has been doing this since I was in diapers!! You sitting in zone all game, best believe he will tear you apart!! You have to wrinkle in man switch it up on him, & disguise!!

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Making matters worse, the Chargers, who refused to blitz, could not get close to Brady in the pocket. Los Angeles most likely assumed it could get home with a straight four-man rush with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram firing off the edges, but once it became apparent that such a strategy would not work, an adjustment was needed.


Mike Reiss
✔
@MikeReiss
From @ESPNStatsInfo: Chargers did not blitz Tom Brady a single time on his 14 dropbacks in 1st quarter In their wild-card round win over the Ravens, the Chargers blitzed Lamar Jackson only 1 time in 38 dropbacks. Overall, Chargers have pressured Brady just once on 19 dropbacks.

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It never really came. The Chargers sent more pressure in the second half, but, by that point, the game was essentially over with the Pats taking a 35-7 lead into the half.

Now, blitzing Brady isn’t really a viable strategy. The 41-year-old has seen every front and blitz a defense can possibly throw at him, and the numbers show he is more effective when an opponent sends five or more rushers. According to Pro Football Focus, Brady’s passer rating jumped to 102.3 against the blitz in 2018 (from 97.7 overall). If the Chargers weren’t willing to blitz, playing man coverage could have helped put more pressure on the pocket. With defenders attached to receivers, the quarterback typically has to hold onto the ball a beat or two longer, which naturally leads to more pressure. And the numbers reflect that.

Via Sports Info Solutions:

“Across the league, Man Coverage has resulted in a 37.9% Pressure Rate compared to 31.2% in Zone.”

The Chargers did not play much man over the course of the season. Only the Colts played man-to-man at lower rather than Los Angeles did in 2018.



On one hand, the argument could be made that asking your players to do something they might not be comfortable doing isn’t the best strategy for the most important game of the season. On the other hand, trying to use your basic gameplan against a Bill Belichick-coached team is asking to be exploited.

So what should the Chargers have done differently? Playing more pattern matching coverages would have made a lot of sense. Pattern matching — which, ironically, was the brainchild of Belichick and some former assistant named Nick Saban — is a combination of man and zone defenses, where defenders are responsible for certain areas on the field (that’s the zone part) but end up matching up with receivers based on the routes they run (the man part).

More and more NFL teams are favoring pattern matching over traditional spot-dropping zones, which is the best way to deal with these spread offenses taking over the league. At the college level, where seemingly every team is running some form of the spread, you’ll rarely find a defense that isn’t playing some sort of match defense.


Seth Galina
@SethGalina
You have college teams playing press quarters, match cover 3, safeties coming down to be B-gap players, all sorts of front alignments... but in the NFL the only defense in the playbook is Cover 3 spot drop from an under front

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Not the Chargers, though.

Whether it was playing more man, or blitzing, or pattern matching, the Chargers had to do something different to at least try to slow down Tom Brady. They didn’t, and the result should not have been a surprise.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl...dley-tom-brady

Hm.

[RINGLEADER]

Originally Posted by petegz28

I'm tempted to say you put Ward on Edleman all ****ing game long. WArd seems to be in the hip pocket of whomever he covers. I could be wrong about that but that's what I see anyway.

This is so true.

Even when he gives up a pass he is usually smothering his guy. I've been super-impressed by him since he started.

[CupidStunt]

This is the Chris Jones game. Brady can't deal with pressure up the middle. Hates it, can't avoid it. Of course, with that shitty instant-dinkNdunk pass offense they run, it's redundant 99.9% of the time. We have to press hard at the LOS, not get beat instantly, and if we can do that, and disrupt the timing, that's when Jones has to bring the rape inside.

[Dr. Yu Weed Tard]

Originally Posted by farmerchief

Who's covering their backs out of the backfield?

Eric. ****ing. Berry.

Out of the 'Haglund's Hybrid' FS/NickLB spot

The spirit is willing.

[Prison Bitch]

I’m sure the article discussed the relevant question which is what Brady does vs both coverages this year, perhaps his career, but I must’ve missed it

[Hoover]

Originally Posted by petegz28

The Chargers defense did exactly what you don't do when playing Tom Brady

The blueprint for slowing down Tom Brady isn’t a secret: Play tight man-to-man coverage and hope to get some semblance of pressure on him (without having to blitz, preferably).

The blueprint for allowing Brady to march through your defense ain’t exactly a secret, either, and the Chargers followed it to a tee during their 41-28 loss to the Patriots on Sunday. Los Angeles rarely came out of their favored Cover 3 zone — which Chargers defensive coordinator Gus Bradley has been running at a high rate since his days as Seahawks defensive coordinator — and just kind of hoped Brady and New England’s offense would screw up eventually.

It never happened. The Patriots did whatever they wanted offensively — at least in the first half, and it was good enough to all but win the game. The Chargers came out in dime defense early, and New England answered with base personnel (with sets featuring two backs or two tight ends, and sometimes both), which provided a size and strength advantage in the box and allowed the Pats to run for 155 yards on 34 carries. Bradley was praised for playing seven defensive backs at a time against the Ravens, but the strategy did not work at Gillette Stadium, and the Chargers were forced back into a more traditional look with two linebackers on the field.

But personnel wasn’t really the problem with the Chargers’ ill-fated gameplan. Sure, the Patriots ran the ball well, but the passing game was even more efficient. Brady threw for 348 yards on 44 attempts. The problem was Bradley’s insistence on staying in his basic zone coverages, which doomed his defense from the start. Just about everybody watching at home could see this, including Jets DB Jamal Adams, who has been in the league for only two years and already knows you can’t show Brady static zone coverages all game…


Jamal Adams
✔
@TheAdamsEra
· Jan 13, 2019
The Pats are in 21p & 22p... two backs 1 TE, or 2 backs 2 TE's! You can't have 6 DB's on the field! It just won't work bro! This is old school football!! Just my opinion! Alright I'm gone ✌🏽


Jamal Adams
✔
@TheAdamsEra
TB12 has been doing this since I was in diapers!! You sitting in zone all game, best believe he will tear you apart!! You have to wrinkle in man switch it up on him, & disguise!!

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Making matters worse, the Chargers, who refused to blitz, could not get close to Brady in the pocket. Los Angeles most likely assumed it could get home with a straight four-man rush with Joey Bosa and Melvin Ingram firing off the edges, but once it became apparent that such a strategy would not work, an adjustment was needed.


Mike Reiss
✔
@MikeReiss
From @ESPNStatsInfo: Chargers did not blitz Tom Brady a single time on his 14 dropbacks in 1st quarter In their wild-card round win over the Ravens, the Chargers blitzed Lamar Jackson only 1 time in 38 dropbacks. Overall, Chargers have pressured Brady just once on 19 dropbacks.

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It never really came. The Chargers sent more pressure in the second half, but, by that point, the game was essentially over with the Pats taking a 35-7 lead into the half.

Now, blitzing Brady isn’t really a viable strategy. The 41-year-old has seen every front and blitz a defense can possibly throw at him, and the numbers show he is more effective when an opponent sends five or more rushers. According to Pro Football Focus, Brady’s passer rating jumped to 102.3 against the blitz in 2018 (from 97.7 overall). If the Chargers weren’t willing to blitz, playing man coverage could have helped put more pressure on the pocket. With defenders attached to receivers, the quarterback typically has to hold onto the ball a beat or two longer, which naturally leads to more pressure. And the numbers reflect that.

Via Sports Info Solutions:

“Across the league, Man Coverage has resulted in a 37.9% Pressure Rate compared to 31.2% in Zone.”

The Chargers did not play much man over the course of the season. Only the Colts played man-to-man at lower rather than Los Angeles did in 2018.



On one hand, the argument could be made that asking your players to do something they might not be comfortable doing isn’t the best strategy for the most important game of the season. On the other hand, trying to use your basic gameplan against a Bill Belichick-coached team is asking to be exploited.

So what should the Chargers have done differently? Playing more pattern matching coverages would have made a lot of sense. Pattern matching — which, ironically, was the brainchild of Belichick and some former assistant named Nick Saban — is a combination of man and zone defenses, where defenders are responsible for certain areas on the field (that’s the zone part) but end up matching up with receivers based on the routes they run (the man part).

More and more NFL teams are favoring pattern matching over traditional spot-dropping zones, which is the best way to deal with these spread offenses taking over the league. At the college level, where seemingly every team is running some form of the spread, you’ll rarely find a defense that isn’t playing some sort of match defense.


Seth Galina
@SethGalina
You have college teams playing press quarters, match cover 3, safeties coming down to be B-gap players, all sorts of front alignments... but in the NFL the only defense in the playbook is Cover 3 spot drop from an under front

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Not the Chargers, though.

Whether it was playing more man, or blitzing, or pattern matching, the Chargers had to do something different to at least try to slow down Tom Brady. They didn’t, and the result should not have been a surprise.

https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/01/nfl...dley-tom-brady

interesting

[Naptown Chief]

Originally Posted by petegz28

No Houston
No Sorenson
No Berry
No Ward
No Lucas

Hell, you had Parker and Shaw and Scandrick in that secondary.

They didn't score 43 on "this" defense....

Mahomes also gave them a short field on the Hightower INT. That doesn't excuse the other 36 points but, it appears to me anyway, this defense is heads and tails different than the one we trotted out there week 6.

I really think if the D plays the way they have the last two weeks NE has zero chance of winning.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by dwwataz

Mahomes also gave them a short field on the Hightower INT. That doesn't excuse the other 36 points but, it appears to me anyway, this defense is heads and tails different than the one we trotted out there week 6.

I really think if the D plays the way they have the last two weeks NE has zero chance of winning.

Ward has been a revelation. Lucas is much better than Parker. Front 7 playing downhill.

We're not going to sit around in zone all day. Sutton never does that unless he's got a lead. (ahem.)

We'll man up and try to get after Brady with the front 4 and occasionally 5. If they play like the last two games, we'll win. If they don't....eh....