Make a splash. - Page 3

Direckshun · 07:45 AM

Right now, overthecap has given us about $50m to play with.

Here's the roster heading, with impending FAs listed in red.

QB: Mahomes, Gabbert
RB: Pacheco, McKinnon, Edwards-Helaire

WR: Toney, Moore, Valdez-Scantling, Watson, Rice, James, Ross
TE: Kelce, Gray, Bell, Fortson

LT: Smith, Morris
LG: Thuney, Allegretti
C: Humphrey, Allegretti
RG: Smith, Caliendo
RT: Taylor, Wanogho, Niang

DE: Omenihu, Anudike-Uzomah, Herring
DT: Jones, Dickerson, Wharton
DT: Nnadi, Coburn
DE: Karlaftis, Danna, Thompson

WLB: Gay, Tranquill
MLB: Bolton, Tranquill
SLB: Chenal, Cochrane

CB: Sneed, McDuffie, Watson, Williams, Jones, Johnson
S: Reid, Cook, Conner, Edwards

K: Butker
P: Townsend
LS: Winchester

If you could make a big splash in free agency at one position, what position would it be and why?

Direckshun · 09-26-2023, 02:03 PM

You guys, the Chiefs have been trying to pay Jonesy for a year.

It's not going to happen.

DJ's left nut · 09-26-2023, 04:50 PM

Do I have to make a splash? Or can I just keep using it to try to keep a good young defense intact and work in the margins?

Because I don't really want to give a FA wide receiver big money and long-term and I DEFINITELY don't want to give a FA defensive player a big deal either; those go bad WAY more often than they don't.

But I've really liked the development of Danna. I think Sneed can be had on a deal we can get out of after 3 years (he was an older rookie; he'll be 27 next year so term matters).

I'd rather hang onto the guys we've seen succeed and grow here than take what's behind door #2.

Lets do that and then find a middle class contract for an interior DL like Teair Tart.

Chiefshrink · 09-26-2023, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

If im making a splash, that splash is a trade up for Marvin Harrison Jr.

We don't have enough draft capital to trade up to the 2nd pick unless we promise 2 future 1st rd picks and a few 2's and 3's because we will be picking very low in the future drafts because we win. But I like your idea

kccrow · 09-27-2023, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

We don't have enough draft capital to trade up to the 2nd pick unless we promise 2 future 1st rd picks and a few 2's and 3's because we will be picking very low in the future drafts because we win. But I like your idea

Do you think our 1 and a tag and trade of Jones might do it for a team picking high?

DJ's left nut · 09-27-2023, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Do you think our 1 and a tag and trade of Jones might do it for a team picking high?

I think your 'blue chip' prospects tend to defeat any draft calculator.

I don't think anybody is prying 1.1 out of whoever gets it. Now maybe if a QB needy team lands at 1.2, you could overpay to move up there and take Harrison Jr but that teams STILL not going to want to fall any lower than 3 for Drake Maye.

When you have 3 really really good guys at the top of the draft, 2 of whom appear to be legit 'franchise' quarterbacks (as opposed to Bryce Young) then you have a really difficult draft board to break into.

I just don't see it happening.

O.city · 09-27-2023, 09:17 AM

I'd rather go up for a LT but there are gonna be some really good DL prospects in this draft too.

DJ's left nut · 09-27-2023, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by O.city

I'd rather go up for a LT but there are gonna be some really good DL prospects in this draft too.

It looks like a really good draft to me.

I'd really like to give Bert more firepower, not less. A trade up involving some of next year's capital wouldn't bother me greatly (but wouldn't move you up much in the first) but i don't think I want to take any bullets out of his gun in the 2024 draft class. It looks awfully strong.

**Buehler445** · 09-27-2023, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Do I have to make a splash? Or can I just keep using it to try to keep a good young defense intact and work in the margins?

Because I don't really want to give a FA wide receiver big money and long-term and I DEFINITELY don't want to give a FA defensive player a big deal either; those go bad WAY more often than they don't.

But I've really liked the development of Danna. I think Sneed can be had on a deal we can get out of after 3 years (he was an older rookie; he'll be 27 next year so term matters).

I'd rather hang onto the guys we've seen succeed and grow here than take what's behind door #2.

Lets do that and then find a middle class contract for an interior DL like Teair Tart.

Well said. Probably a more articulate way of saying what I was getting at. I'll be a value guy as long as we have Mahomes.

Other than Mahomes, most of our eite guys were "flyers"

Kelce - 3rd
Jones - 2nd
Sneed - 7th
Bolton - 2nd

Those types are available. Keep taking those swings. Make splashes that way.

Obviously we paid for Thuney and Taylor. Those moves are still going to be necessary, but we need to seek value.

DJ's left nut · 09-27-2023, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Well said. Probably a more articulate way of saying what I was getting at. I'll be a value guy as long as we have Mahomes.

Other than Mahomes, most of our eite guys were "flyers"

Kelce - 3rd
Jones - 2nd
Sneed - 7th
Bolton - 2nd

Those types are available. Keep taking those swings. Make splashes that way.

Obviously we paid for Thuney and Taylor. Those moves are still going to be necessary, but we need to seek value.

It's not your fault - you're a Kansan...

O.city · 09-27-2023, 11:15 AM

I'd just prefer to not have to keep bandaiding the LT spot, but if Wanya could developed there that would be huge. Honestly, that's the route I'd probably take just from a cost standpoint. He may not ever be an actual high end LT, but even if he's 80% of an elite player, you're gaining alot.

**Buehler445** · 09-27-2023, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

It's not your fault - you're a Kansan...

Plus I was on the tractor until 3 AM - but sure, Kansas.

Couch-Potato · 09-27-2023, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Couch-Potato

I partially agree. I think the best scenario is to sign our guys Jones, Gay, & Sneed + Mike Evans (Splash) who we acquire for something like MVS + a 3rd. Evans is a stalwart vet WR, who probably won't break the bank due to his age. I think Evans is currently getting $16m in 2023, MVS is scheduled to make $14m in 2024...gross. Maybe we have enough money left over to sign a vet RB to pair with Pachecco as well. Use our high caliber draft picks on OT & DL. Thrive.

2024

Mahomes

Pachecco
[Dobbins]

Kelce
Gray
Bell

[Evans]
Toney
Moore
Rice
Watson
Ross

[1st RD OT]
Thuney
Humfrey
Smith
Smith/Morris

Karlaftis/Danna
[2nd RD DT]/Coburn
Jones
Omenihu/FAU

Alternatively, if our OTs work out and we don't pull off a trade for a vet before the deadline we can go 1st RD WR & 2nd RD DT.

Nightfyre · 09-27-2023, 06:05 PM

If smith works out, he's gone next year anyway, no?

kccrow · 09-27-2023, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think your 'blue chip' prospects tend to defeat any draft calculator.

I don't think anybody is prying 1.1 out of whoever gets it. Now maybe if a QB needy team lands at 1.2, you could overpay to move up there and take Harrison Jr but that teams STILL not going to want to fall any lower than 3 for Drake Maye.

When you have 3 really really good guys at the top of the draft, 2 of whom appear to be legit 'franchise' quarterbacks (as opposed to Bryce Young) then you have a really difficult draft board to break into.

I just don't see it happening.

I don't know if you have to get to 2, or even to 10, to get a really good WR this year. Nabers, Egbuka, and Odunze all look like quality players. As an OSU fan, I absolutely love Harrison Jr but I also know that is a dream that will never come true. Alt would be my next top want and he's probably a pipe dream too.

My semi-reasonable dreams at this juncture are probably Ebuka at WR or Newton at DT.

O.city · 09-28-2023, 08:47 AM

I don't like a first round WR with what we already have unless one they just love falls.

I think you just keep stacking the DL.

09-21-2023, 12:23 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $4183447	Make a splash. Right now, overthecap has given us about $50m to play with. Here's the roster heading, with impending FAs listed in red. QB: Mahomes, Gabbert RB: Pacheco, McKinnon, Edwards-Helaire WR: Toney, Moore, Valdez-Scantling, Watson, Rice, James, Ross TE: Kelce, Gray, Bell, Fortson LT: Smith, Morris LG: Thuney, Allegretti C: Humphrey, Allegretti RG: Smith, Caliendo RT: Taylor, Wanogho, Niang DE: Omenihu, Anudike-Uzomah, Herring DT: Jones, Dickerson, Wharton DT: Nnadi, Coburn DE: Karlaftis, Danna, Thompson WLB: Gay, Tranquill MLB: Bolton, Tranquill SLB: Chenal, Cochrane CB: Sneed, McDuffie, Watson, Williams, Jones, Johnson S: Reid, Cook, Conner, Edwards K: Butker P: Townsend LS: Winchester If you could make a big splash in free agency at one position, what position would it be and why? Last edited by Direckshun; 09-22-2023 at 07:45 AM..
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