Prisco: Re-grading 2007 draft: Three-year look back gives real picture

[T-post Tom]

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Kansas City Chiefs: Grade: B-

They had seven picks and all they have to show for their draft is one starter (receiver Dwayne Bowe) and backup running back Kolby Smith. That's not a good haul. Bowe, the first-round pick, has been a good player. But the Chiefs blew picks on defensive linemen in the second and third rounds; Turk McBride and Tank Tyler are now with other teams. Smith is a solid backup who has started, so he has some value as a fifth-round pick. But that's it.

[chief52]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

The only player worth crap from that draft is Bowe.

Yes, and hopefully he blossoms. But if your #1 pick does not pan out to be a pro-bowler it was not a good choice. This is a big year in finding out if he has what it takes.

[Hammock Parties]

I think Tank would have been a good 2-gap plugger. He got ****ed with the switch to the 3-4.

[ChiefaRoo]

Is it possible that since Haley and Pioli used leftover scouts and evaluators for the '09 draft? This years draft while unproven unfolded very differently from past drafts.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by GoChiefs

I think Tank would have been a good 2-gap plugger. He got ****ed with the switch to the 3-4.

Errr....that's what we did when we switched.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Errr....that's what we did when we switched.

He played nose tackle, though. There's a difference.

The guy could take on a guard and win. He just wasn't good at holding up against double teams.

[HotRoute]

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

Is it possible that since Haley and Pioli used leftover scouts and evaluators for the '09 draft? This years draft while unproven unfolded very differently from past drafts.

lets hope so

[HotRoute]

this made me smile though:

Oakland Raiders

This is the JaMarcus Russell draft. Therefore, it is a disaster. The Raiders had the first overall pick and took Russell. He has been a big flop and they will release him shortly. He never gave himself to the game, and it showed. Second-round pick Zack Miller, a tight end, has been a good starter. With a better quarterback, he'd show more. Third-round pick, tackle Mario Henderson, started 16 games last season, but the Raiders would love to replace him. Johnnie Lee Higgins, another third-round pick, has been a backup receiver and a decent return man. Fourth-round running back Michael Bush has flashed at times as a backup. Fifth-round pick Jay Richardson is a nice backup defensive end. But blowing the Russell pick makes this a really bad draft.

Grade: F

enjoy

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

But Herm was a draft genious!

Some will still try to defend Tank and Turk.

Turk and Tank are still in the league. No, they are not 'stars' but they are solid NFL players. It just so happens that they weren't drafted for the 3-4. They were drafted for the Tampa 2. So was Hali and Dorsey, but they have more natural talent. They are more versatile.

I think that both Tank and Turk have a lot of their NFL story left to write. We'll see.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by ChiefaRoo

Is it possible that since Haley and Pioli used leftover scouts and evaluators for the '09 draft? This years draft while unproven unfolded very differently from past drafts.

Pioli ****ed up by freezing out scouts, instead of listening to Kuharich's scouts. Even if he planned on firing them later, for one GM and one scout to expect to do an entire draft was reckless.

But yeah, now that the right scouts are in place, I'm more interested in how we do in 2010 and beyond. But we shouldn't forgive Pioli for mistakes that he made in 2009.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Turk and Tank are still in the league. No, they are not 'stars' but they are solid NFL players. It just so happens that they weren't drafted for the 3-4. They were drafted for the Tampa 2. So was Hali and Dorsey, but they have more natural talent. They are more versatile.

I think that both Tank and Turk have a lot of their NFL story left to write. We'll see.

I'm just going to insult you just cause it doesn't seem right not to, even though I agree with you here.

Dumbass.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

2009 will be lucky to be a D-

I think you will be proven wrong. #1) I don't think Cassel will be considered since he wasn't a draft pick.

#2) I think the Chiefs will have a solid starter in Tyson Jackson, a good rotational guy in Alex McGee, and a decent backup TE. And, of course, a kicker that's very, very good.

I imagine most grade that draft a B when we are three years out..... especially if the defense improves.

To be clear, I personally don't think that you should get a 'decent' starter at #3. However, the draft is a crap shoot regardless of the pick #. So, if TJ turns out to be a solid 10 year starter, then most would call it a 'good' pick. I would call it a 'passing grade' pick..... but fans are a little more jaded.

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'm just going to insult you just cause it doesn't seem right not to, even though I agree with you here.

Dumbass.

Phew, that was a close one.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Turk and Tank are still in the league. No, they are not 'stars' but they are solid NFL players. It just so happens that they weren't drafted for the 3-4. They were drafted for the Tampa 2. So was Hali and Dorsey, but they have more natural talent. They are more versatile.

I think that both Tank and Turk have a lot of their NFL story left to write. We'll see.

We shall see.

I will disagree with both you and Milkman and say for sure 1 will be out of the league in 2 years if not both within 3.

[HotRoute]

Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

Turk and Tank are still in the league. No, they are not 'stars' but they are solid NFL players. It just so happens that they weren't drafted for the 3-4. They were drafted for the Tampa 2. So was Hali and Dorsey, but they have more natural talent. They are more versatile.

I think that both Tank and Turk have a lot of their NFL story left to write. We'll see.

I think you might be right on this, they are decent players in the right scheme

[SenselessChiefsFan]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Pioli ****ed up by freezing out scouts, instead of listening to Kuharich's scouts. Even if he planned on firing them later, for one GM and one scout to expect to do an entire draft was reckless.

But yeah, now that the right scouts are in place, I'm more interested in how we do in 2010 and beyond. But we shouldn't forgive Pioli for mistakes that he made in 2009.

To be fair, the thing that makes good drafts is projecting the players that fit your system. There are some guys that can play any system. But, most players have systems that they are good fits in.... systems that take advantage of their talent.

I liked Kuharich.... but he had been drafting for the Tampa Two. I don't think Pioli felt comfortable with their evaluation of guys for the 3-4.

In the end, I think 2009 will be a good foundation. Could they have done better? Yes. But, TJ will be a good 3-4 end for the next 10 years. If they solve positions like that with each of their first round picks, that will build a solid, solid foundation and a good team.

JMO.