Raiders back in 1st Round - Page 3

HolmeZz · 04-20-2005, 06:04 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...len&id=2042190

Raiders have traded TE Doug Jolley and a 2nd rounder to the Jets for their 1st rounder.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Patience, Patience it ain't over.

Chiefs sell out and the Raiders do not, Davis is trying to sell tickets not build a team.

your correct...

carl isn't trying as hard because he has a full stadium and is comfortable.

but that doesn't mean it's a good thing

**Rain Man** · 04-20-2005, 07:41 PM

The Jets are reeruned. They must have a six year-old as the GM.

**HemiEd** · 04-20-2005, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

your correct...

carl isn't trying as hard because he has a full stadium and is comfortable.

but that doesn't mean it's a good thing

Very nice spin Laz. I think Carl is trying just hard if not harder but he is not trying as hard to sell tickets via the media. You would not believe the Media BS the Bears create up here to appease the fans and give them hope. Bottom Line, I think the Chiefs have made better overall moves than the Raiders. Knight and Bell are just the beginning. The Chiefs have proven when they built this offense that they know the formula. It was built via trades and Free agency. The crappy defense was mostly built through the draft. I am, as usual very optimistic!

**Rain Man** · 04-20-2005, 07:48 PM

The Jets must have a kindergarten student as their GM.

**Rain Man** · 04-20-2005, 07:51 PM

The more I think about it, the Jets must have a toddler as their GM.

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I am, as usual very optimistic!

i need some of them drugs you be doin' ... i really do

Mr. Laz · 04-20-2005, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man

The more I think about it, the Jets must have a toddler as their GM.

a GM that was trained by Carl Peterson

tk13 · 04-20-2005, 07:55 PM

I don't know. I don't think it's the greatest move in the world but I don't think it's really horrific either for the Jets. They made certain they got a TE instead of hoping for one to fall to them, and picked up an extra draft pick in the process. Plus the Jets have done a solid job drafting in recent years, they essentially got their TE with the late 1st rounder and got an extra pick in doing so. I can see the thought process behind it... especially when you're confident in your ability to draft good players.

**HemiEd** · 04-20-2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

i need some of them drugs you be doin' ... i really do

If you want to call years of conditioning "drugs" I am doing them. I look at the NFL as a business like any other. Teams that are sold out, especially in high demand small markets like the Chiefs and Packers do not need to make the same "high profile" public moves that "Large Market" sold out or "small market not sold out" teams do. The Raiders are in a much weaker position market wise than most other teams in the NFL, they need to make headlines to get those Oaklanders to buy tickets.
Would you trade what the Chiefs have done for what the Raiders have done this off season seriously? If so, we are in total disagreement. You are clearly one of the leaders on this board of the bash bunch, but you do know your stuff and I respect that. But to say Carl Peterson is not trying to put the best hand together with the cards he has to play is truly ignorance IMO. There is a difference between making mistakes and not trying. People may not understand all of his moves, and he may not pander to the media the way people would like, but I truly believe he is doing the best he knows how. I am personally glad he is with the Chiefs.

SoCalRaider · 04-20-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Al Davis is nobody

... and you are

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Have we already forgotton the signings of Bell and Knight?

Who?

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The fact that he added another Cancer (Randy Moss) to his roster will offset many good moves IMO.

Stated like a true jackass.

SoCalRaider · 04-20-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

I look at the NFL as a business like any other. Teams that are sold out, especially in high demand small markets like the Chiefs and Packers do not need to make the same "high profile" public moves that "Large Market" sold out or "small market not sold out" teams do. The Raiders are in a much weaker position market wise than most other teams in the NFL, they need to make headlines to get those Oaklanders to buy tickets.

Uhhhhhh. hate to be the one to smash this little JV theory, but the RAiders have been using this same exact formula since the 60 and 70s when they were sold out with a waitlist for season tickets.

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

Would you trade what the Chiefs have done for what the Raiders have done this off season seriously?

Let's see, the RAiders signed a HOF receiver, the best RB in free agency, and a potential starting DE... not to mention trading their way back into the 1st round. The Chiefs... isn't that the team that could have had Surtain for a stupid 2nd rounder...

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People may not understand all of his moves

What moves?

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I am personally glad he is with the Chiefs.

I'm ecstatic he's with the Chiefs...

**HemiEd** · 04-20-2005, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalRaider

... and you are

Who?

Stated like a true jackass.

You, Randy Moss and Al Davis deserve each other! Pathetic!

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-20-2005, 08:38 PM

Well Shit the more Ironic thing is Bradway use to be head of the Chiefs scouting department

**HemiEd** · 04-20-2005, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalRaider

Uhhhhhh. hate to be the one to smash this little JV theory, but the RAiders have been using this same exact formula since the 60 and 70s when they were sold out with a waitlist for season tickets.

Hey Afro, they have not been sold out since then, what is your point?
They are a local Blackout team!

Let's see, the RAiders signed a HOF receiver, the best RB in free agency, and a potential starting DE... not to mention trading their way back into the 1st round. The Chiefs... isn't that the team that could have had Surtain for a stupid 2nd rounder...

Potential HOF receiver you should state, he could end up out of the league before it is all said and done. Best RB in FA still would not make the Chiefs 53 man roster, but he is an upgrade for the Faiders! So this is it? That is all you got?

What moves?

You should read a little instead of typing! Many more moves than you have stated that your Faiders have made! You should subscribe to more education, it may be your only hope. [

**Rain Man** · 04-20-2005, 08:47 PM

I think the Jets must have an infant as their GM.

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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1897500	I don't know. I don't think it's the greatest move in the world but I don't think it's really horrific either for the Jets. They made certain they got a TE instead of hoping for one to fall to them, and picked up an extra draft pick in the process. Plus the Jets have done a solid job drafting in recent years, they essentially got their TE with the late 1st rounder and got an extra pick in doing so. I can see the thought process behind it... especially when you're confident in your ability to draft good players.
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