Just a hunch - Page 3

Idahojim · 04-21-2005, 05:25 PM

I have no inside information from my connections with kcchiefs.com, but I can't help but think that something fairly big is going on between the Chiefs and the Dolphins. I really wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs not only ended up with Surtain, but also the Dolphins first round pick. It could involve more draft picks this year as well as one of our expendable safeties in a trade.

Just a gut feeling.

What do you think?

And I think they'd take Derrick Johnson with that 1st round pick. Something tells me they really want this guy.

go bo · 04-21-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Although this is a wonderful thought. I am extremely doubtful we can afford Surtain, Bell, Knight and the #2 pick in the entire draft cap wise.

dammit...

the evil mastermind strikes again...

ruining a perfectly good fantasy...

Logical · 04-21-2005, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

dude... your such a buzz kill

always bringing me down

JennyGump and I are assholes like that. We kill Hamsters and Dreams.

Hammock Parties · 04-21-2005, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

JennyGump and I are assholes like that. We kill Hamsters and Dreams.

You're infatuated with her, aren't you?

Logical · 04-21-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by gochiefs

You're infatuated with her, aren't you?

Thats me taking ZachKC's internet loves on the rebound.

Archie Bunker · 04-21-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

That's just dumb, selecting either one of them that high.

If we were to acquire Miami's #2 pick and we really wanted Rolle or Johnson, the best thing to do would be to trade down into the 6-8 range.

You are correct on both counts. I am dumb and trading down from the 2 would of course be the correct approach.

TEX · 04-21-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

That's just dumb, selecting either one of them that high.

If we were to acquire Miami's #2 pick and we really wanted Rolle or Johnson, the best thing to do would be to trade down into the 6-8 range.

Well that depends. I'm the type that will do whatever it takes to get my player. I don't care what others preceive as dumb, as long as I get my player. If I targeted one guy and felt that the only sure way I would get him would be to select him at # 2 - then I do it every time rather than take the chance to get "more" if I trade down. Just the way I'm wired I guess.

whoman69 · 04-21-2005, 06:59 PM

This is a big hunch which will never happen. That's alot of cap money, and putting alot of value on one of our safeties. Additionally, we would be trading away any significant picks that we have. This is especially bad when there aren't as big of stars in the draft and the top guys will not live up to the big money.

04-21-2005, 07:01 PM

Recently seen on Warpaint Illustrated:

Columnist from kcchiefs.com claims deal for Dolphins 1st round pick and Surtain could be done soon.

htismaqe · 04-21-2005, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

Well that depends. I'm the type that will do whatever it takes to get my player. I don't care what others preceive as dumb, as long as I get my player. If I targeted one guy and felt that the only sure way I would get him would be to select him at # 2 - then I do it every time rather than take the chance to get "more" if I trade down. Just the way I'm wired I guess.

You would be an NFL GM for long. That right there is a "Bobby Beathard" scenario.

04-21-2005, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rufusmaqe

You would be an NFL GM for long. That right there is a "Bobby Beathard" scenario.

Beathard was AWESOME until Ryan Leaf. If he retired the year before he selected Leaf, he'd be remembered as on of the alltime great GM's.

Hoover · 04-21-2005, 08:02 PM

I think #2 is too high for the Chiefs. I do think we trade out of 15 and pick up another 2nd round pick.

Low First Round Pick: CB, best on the board.

Our 2nd Round Pick: DE or OLB

Our New 2nd Round Pick: Could be Surtain

I think the Chiefs will end up having at least 4 picks on the first day. Carl wil only swing the trade for Surtain if we can trade down in the first for more first day picks.

|Zach| · 04-21-2005, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Vlad Logicslav

Thats me taking ZachKC's internet loves on the rebound.

I gave Jim the internet version of my little black book.

jcroft · 04-21-2005, 08:05 PM

Frankly, if the Chiefs picked Johnson with the second pick in the draft, I'd be pissed. I've said all along I'd love to have Johnson and Surtain, but Johnson is simply a bad value at #2. He can be had for a much lower pick -- possibly even pick #15.

There are only two reasonable things for the CHiefs to do with pick #2, if they had it:

1. Pick Edwards or Williams, whichever the Chiefs have higher.
2. Trade down again (probably to the 5-8 picks).

Personally, i'd favor #2, but wouldn't complain about #1, either.

**The Bad Guy** · 04-21-2005, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by nychief

to get the number two we would have to give up our fist and 2nd and probably the 4th also.

To get to #2 we'd have to give up our first, 2nd, 4th and first and second next year.

royr17 · 04-21-2005, 08:36 PM

Maybe the Chiefs and Surtain have reached a contract agreement but its just that the compensation is a problem and the chiefs arent goin to announce anything about it until draft day.

I think Pat Surtain will be a chief. Come on Carl get the deal done.

04-21-2005, 05:25 PM
Idahojim Starter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Nampa, Idaho, USA Casino cash: $9965995	Just a hunch I have no inside information from my connections with kcchiefs.com, but I can't help but think that something fairly big is going on between the Chiefs and the Dolphins. I really wouldn't be surprised if the Chiefs not only ended up with Surtain, but also the Dolphins first round pick. It could involve more draft picks this year as well as one of our expendable safeties in a trade. Just a gut feeling. What do you think? And I think they'd take Derrick Johnson with that 1st round pick. Something tells me they really want this guy.
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Hoover Rufus Dawes Jr. Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $-2191821	I think #2 is too high for the Chiefs. I do think we trade out of 15 and pick up another 2nd round pick. Low First Round Pick: CB, best on the board. Our 2nd Round Pick: DE or OLB Our New 2nd Round Pick: Could be Surtain I think the Chiefs will end up having at least 4 picks on the first day. Carl wil only swing the trade for Surtain if we can trade down in the first for more first day picks.
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04-21-2005, 08:05 PM	#43
jcroft Thread-Stopper Extrodinaire Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Casino cash: $10004900	Frankly, if the Chiefs picked Johnson with the second pick in the draft, I'd be pissed. I've said all along I'd love to have Johnson and Surtain, but Johnson is simply a bad value at #2. He can be had for a much lower pick -- possibly even pick #15. There are only two reasonable things for the CHiefs to do with pick #2, if they had it: 1. Pick Edwards or Williams, whichever the Chiefs have higher. 2. Trade down again (probably to the 5-8 picks). Personally, i'd favor #2, but wouldn't complain about #1, either. __________________ Jeff Croft jeffcroft.com
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royr17 MVP Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Lovin my kids Casino cash: $-1661324	Maybe the Chiefs and Surtain have reached a contract agreement but its just that the compensation is a problem and the chiefs arent goin to announce anything about it until draft day. I think Pat Surtain will be a chief. Come on Carl get the deal done.
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