So who got the better QB, K.C. or Denver? - Page 3

Kclee · 05-02-2006, 10:18 AM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ted/index.html

Yep, last year's overrated/underrated column was right on. Darren Sproles underrated? Check. Fabian Washington overrated? Check. In fact I bet this is another congratulatory call coming in now... Oh crap, it's Bears coach Lovie Smith. "You know I'm never going to let you live down that Tommie Harris/overrated bit two years ago."

Yeah, yeah, I know. Eli Manning still calls to taunt me every two weeks as well. What can I say, some years pan out better than others.

But I've got a good feeling about 2006.

Quarterback
Overrated: Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt
Let me start by saying I do think the pride of the Commodores could well be a solid NFL quarterback. Considering he spent much of his career running from unblocked pass-rushers and throwing to third-rate SEC receivers (until last season, when freshman stud Earl Bennett came on the scene), Cutler's accomplishments at Vandy -- 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions as a senior -- were nothing short of remarkable. But the mere fact that many among the NFL cognoscenti are even thinking about taking Cutler ahead of the most dangerous quarterback to come through the college ranks in years (hint: rhymes with "rinse tongue") makes Cutler overrated -- and raises serious questions about how some of these scouts themselves would perform on the Wonderlic.

Underrated: Brodie Croyle, Alabama
Considering how much emphasis the NFL puts on arm strength, you'd think they'd be falling all over themselves for this guy. Croyle has a gun (just ask the Florida secondary). His mechanics are impeccable and his natural leadership abilities had a great deal to do with the Tide jumping out to a 9-0 start last season. I'm sure his substantial injury history (he underwent shoulder and ACL surgeries while in Tuscaloosa) is helping to knock him down the pecking order, but the fifth-year senior was a picture of health last season when he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for 2,499 yards, 14 touchdowns and just four interceptions. This, despite the fact he played behind a horrendous offensive line that allowed 39 sacks and had to work with a largely unreliable receiving corps after Tyrone Prothro went down with a broken leg.

Ebolapox · 05-02-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by CosmicPal

John Elway.

Brian Griese at least ended up a starter, as did Maddox.

Who have we drafted since that period?

Blackledge?

Fuller? He did become a starter
Blundin?

And gawd knows who else.

Of course, you can make the argument that Denver didn't draft Elway, they instead STOLE his arrogant California azz.

the then baltimore colts (now indy) drafted john elway

vailpass · 05-02-2006, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

Denver did not draft Elway.

We asked nicely for him.

teedubya · 05-02-2006, 11:44 AM

I think at this time, Cutler is the one... but, when pads are on... who knows.

HolmeZz · 05-02-2006, 11:46 AM

I had Cutler as my #2 rated QB, and Croyle at 3. So Cutler.

HolmeZz · 05-02-2006, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

This is simply the funniest homer-thread I've ever seen on CP. You are SERIOUSLY debating whether Brodie "two blown ACLs, a blown shoulder, and a skinny frame" Croyle is going to be a better NFL QB than Cutler. I love it.

Oh, please put my vote in for Cutler.

(Chiefs fans are so cute to watch sometimes; ya' lovable losers you.)

If you don't think Croyle is capable of being better than Cutler, you're clueless. The two blown ACLs you bring up are the main reason Croyle went in the 3rd round.

Radar Chief · 05-02-2006, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by HolmeZz

If you don't think Croyle is capable of being better than Cutler, you're clueless. The two blown ACLs you bring up are the main reason Croyle went in the 3rd round.

Exactly, not only did we get a better QB, we got’im cheaper. nlm

Cormac · 05-02-2006, 12:01 PM

The major advantage for Cutler is the lack of injuries. Croyle has been beaten up.

The major advantage for Croyle is the situation he is arriving into. As a 3rd round pick, we can safely expect him to sit for 2 years. I also predict that after 2 more seasons, Trent will be sliding in production. That should also give ample time to Croyle to strengthen up and add 15-20 lb. Croyle will have a lot expected of him by the fan faithful, but Cutler is going to be in a national media pressure cooker from this TC on. I expect he can handle it, he seems tough, but he may well be rushed into action. As a Denver hater I love the fact that there is going to be a QB controversy there for the forseeable future. I can't see that helping either QB perform at his best.

Bottom line, Cutler was drafted #11 for a reason. But Croyle is much higher value, IMO.

**cdcox** · 05-02-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/croyle_brodie

http://www.nfl.com/draft/profiles/2006/cutler_jay

According to the source you provided, the players grade out very similarly, with Cutler getting a slight edge, mostly due to having a beefier frame and the power an durability issues that go with that. If Croyle can put on some muscle thereby increasing his durability, they'd be dead even on potential.

You guys spent a #11 overall for your guy. We got ours for a thrid rounder.

Taco John · 05-02-2006, 12:02 PM

If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

big nasty kcnut · 05-02-2006, 12:03 PM

I'll take croyle for a 100 alex.

dollar1 · 05-02-2006, 12:03 PM

Bench presses of 275lb (for a skinny kid) and 400 Freaking lbs and 225 27 times for a quaterback?

Who here can even come close to either one. In my day, I could do 225 maybe 2-3 times max.

Just wow...

~back under rock~

HolmeZz · 05-02-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Taco John

If Bono Croyle can stay healthy, there's no telling how many games he can lose with you guys...

If you followed either QBs career, you'd realize Cutler was much more used to losing.

King_Chief_Fan · 05-02-2006, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Radar Chief

Exactly, not only did we get a better QB, we got’im cheaper. nlm

Which I think is the real question. Who got the better value vs. potential.
Should Cutler bust (and we have seen plenty of 1st do so), Denver loses more than KC. His chances of failure may be better than success since Denver has proven to be wrong with every QB they have picked. (Elway picked them, they didn't pick him).

Chiefs will only be out a 3rd rounder should Croyle fail.

**Bowser** · 05-02-2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Cutler:
Campus: 4.81 in the 40-yard dash...400-pound bench press...Bench pressed 225 pounds 27 times...480-pound squat...295-pound power clean...315-pound hang clean...32-inch vertical jump...31 ½-inch arm length...9 3/8-inch hands...Right-handed...26/36 Wonderlic score.

http://www2.jsonline.com/packer/insi...=Cutler&pos=QB

So what? Croyle's dad can beat up Cutler's dad.

Chiefnj · 05-02-2006, 12:20 PM

The Chiefs will probably be in a tough situation with Croyle. Third round picks generally sign 3 year deals. Trent is expected to play another 2-3 years. Just when Croyle is given an opportunity his contract will likely be up.

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Kclee Veteran Join Date: Mar 2002 Casino cash: $10014147	So who got the better QB, K.C. or Denver? http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...ted/index.html Yep, last year's overrated/underrated column was right on. Darren Sproles underrated? Check. Fabian Washington overrated? Check. In fact I bet this is another congratulatory call coming in now... Oh crap, it's Bears coach Lovie Smith. "You know I'm never going to let you live down that Tommie Harris/overrated bit two years ago." Yeah, yeah, I know. Eli Manning still calls to taunt me every two weeks as well. What can I say, some years pan out better than others. But I've got a good feeling about 2006. Quarterback Overrated: Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt Let me start by saying I do think the pride of the Commodores could well be a solid NFL quarterback. Considering he spent much of his career running from unblocked pass-rushers and throwing to third-rate SEC receivers (until last season, when freshman stud Earl Bennett came on the scene), Cutler's accomplishments at Vandy -- 3,073 yards, 21 touchdowns and nine interceptions as a senior -- were nothing short of remarkable. But the mere fact that many among the NFL cognoscenti are even thinking about taking Cutler ahead of the most dangerous quarterback to come through the college ranks in years (hint: rhymes with "rinse tongue") makes Cutler overrated -- and raises serious questions about how some of these scouts themselves would perform on the Wonderlic. Underrated: Brodie Croyle, Alabama Considering how much emphasis the NFL puts on arm strength, you'd think they'd be falling all over themselves for this guy. Croyle has a gun (just ask the Florida secondary). His mechanics are impeccable and his natural leadership abilities had a great deal to do with the Tide jumping out to a 9-0 start last season. I'm sure his substantial injury history (he underwent shoulder and ACL surgeries while in Tuscaloosa) is helping to knock him down the pecking order, but the fifth-year senior was a picture of health last season when he completed nearly 60 percent of his passes for 2,499 yards, 14 touchdowns and just four interceptions. This, despite the fact he played behind a horrendous offensive line that allowed 39 sacks and had to work with a largely unreliable receiving corps after Tyrone Prothro went down with a broken leg.
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teedubya Most Valuable Poster Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $8993042	I think at this time, Cutler is the one... but, when pads are on... who knows.
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05-02-2006, 11:46 AM	#34
HolmeZz i guess its bittersweet poetry Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NeW HaVeN, CT Casino cash: $10004900	I had Cutler as my #2 rated QB, and Croyle at 3. So Cutler.
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05-02-2006, 12:01 PM	#37
Cormac Haley sceptic.... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: waiting it out....... Casino cash: $10004900	The major advantage for Cutler is the lack of injuries. Croyle has been beaten up. The major advantage for Croyle is the situation he is arriving into. As a 3rd round pick, we can safely expect him to sit for 2 years. I also predict that after 2 more seasons, Trent will be sliding in production. That should also give ample time to Croyle to strengthen up and add 15-20 lb. Croyle will have a lot expected of him by the fan faithful, but Cutler is going to be in a national media pressure cooker from this TC on. I expect he can handle it, he seems tough, but he may well be rushed into action. As a Denver hater I love the fact that there is going to be a QB controversy there for the forseeable future. I can't see that helping either QB perform at his best. Bottom line, Cutler was drafted #11 for a reason. But Croyle is much higher value, IMO.
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dollar1 Starter Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hiawatha, KS Casino cash: $10004900	WTF Bench presses of 275lb (for a skinny kid) and 400 Freaking lbs and 225 27 times for a quaterback? Who here can even come close to either one. In my day, I could do 225 maybe 2-3 times max. Just wow... ~back under rock~
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05-02-2006, 12:20 PM	#45
Chiefnj MVP Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Willis, Harris and Davis. Casino cash: $10004900	The Chiefs will probably be in a tough situation with Croyle. Third round picks generally sign 3 year deals. Trent is expected to play another 2-3 years. Just when Croyle is given an opportunity his contract will likely be up. __________________ "I always tell (the assistant coaches), 'Make it simple, 'cause I'm stupid,'" Edwards said. "This ain't computer football." Herm Edwards, 3-20-07 Q: Herm, back on December 25th you were asked if Trent Green was your starter going into next season and you said, ‘yeah, why wouldn’t he be?’ Have you changed your mind on that? EDWARDS: No, I have not.” (1-11-07) Last edited by Chiefnj; 05-02-2006 at 12:38 PM..
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