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The Poz · 06-03-2006, 11:15 AM

Chiefs | Gonzalez wants to end his career in Kansas City
Sat, 3 Jun 2006 09:14:10 -0700

Rick Dean, writing for Morris News Service, reports Kansas City Chiefs TE Tony Gonzalez has made it clear he wants to end his career in Kansas City, but he refused to discuss contract negotiations with the Chiefs. The team also wants to sign him to a long-term deal that will allow him to finish his career as a Chief. As is the case with all business deals, the financial terms must add up properly for both parties. Gonzalez's contract runs through the 2006 season. It is hardly a secret that Gonzalez spends little of his offseason in Kansas City. It's even less of a secret that the Chiefs wish he'd spend more here in offseason conditioning with his teammates. Gonzalez believes new offensive coordinator Mike Solari, the former offensive line coach, is a kindred spirit who will look for a tight end in scoring zone situations. "As soon as he got the job, I flew back here to meet with (Solari) and coach (Jon) Embree, my new position coach. He asked me straight-up what routes I thought worked best, and he said he'd get them called. We'll see what happens, but I have (no) doubt that he'll get me the ball."

**Skip Towne** · 06-03-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Gonzo's career started two years earlier than Gates. If Gonzo is productive until he is 35, Gates will have a hard time catching him.

Gonzo started in 1997, Gates in 2003.

FAX · 06-03-2006, 01:27 PM

Excerpt from an Associated Content article by a non-Chiefs fan homer type person.

I can guarantee that when Gonzalez’s playing days are over, he will be recognized as the first of the new breed of tight ends that are currently setting the league on fire with the usual size of a tight end but displaying the grace, speed and catching ability of a wide receiver.

Link To Article

FAX

milkman · 06-03-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Excerpt from an Associated Content article by a non-Chiefs fan homer type person.

I can guarantee that when Gonzalez’s playing days are over, he will be recognized as the first of the new breed of tight ends that are currently setting the league on fire with the usual size of a tight end but displaying the grace, speed and catching ability of a wide receiver.

Link To Article

FAX

You don't know me at all, do you FAX?

Not to be direspectful to you, but I don't ever give a rat's ass what talking heads or anyone in the media say.
They just slobber the knobs of whoever is in front of them at the moment, usually.

FAX · 06-03-2006, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

You don't know me at all, do you FAX?

Not to be direspectful to you, but I don't ever give a rat's ass what talking heads or anyone in the media say.
They just slobber the knobs of whoever is in front of them at the moment, usually.

Far be it from me to doubt or disagree with your football knowledge which has proven time and again to be both extensive and insightful, Mr. milkman. However, am I not allowed to have a discussion with you? Or don't I know you well enough?

I have stated that TG “redefined the TE position”. I based that statement on the fact that TG is more agile, quicker, and more mobile than the TEs before him. This allows the TE position to be used as an offensive threat in more sets, more routes, and more situations.

1. You called that comment, "homerism". Did you not?

2. Then, you said that "Winslow was very athletic and moved around". Did you not?

As for point one. I'm simply using the media hack’s article to demonstrate that you don't have to be a "homer" to recognize that TG brought a new dimension to the TE position. You and I both know that a lot of people would agree with me and they don't happen to be homers. Actually, many of them are NFL scouts.

As for point two, Winslow's knees were so bad (particularly later in his career) that he was simply not as mobile and quick as TG. Not even close.

Ozzie was, basically, a tackle with great hands.

I respect your opinion, don't get me wrong. I always have. And, if you want to have a civilized conversation about differences in opinion on the subject of football, fine. Otherwise, maybe you can find someone else to kiss your ass for you.

FAX

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-03-2006, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Skip Towne

Gonzo started in 1997, Gates in 2003.

True. But Gonzo just turned 30; Gates will be 26 before the season (Gonzo began his NFL career at 21, Gates at 23.) I'll also suspect Gonzo will have a longer career in this league, because of his all-around ability.

milkman · 06-03-2006, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Far be it from me to doubt or disagree with your football knowledge which has proven time and again to be both extensive and insightful, Mr. milkman. However, am I not allowed to have a discussion with you? Or don't I know you well enough?

I have stated that TG “redefined the TE position”. I based that statement on the fact that TG is more agile, quicker, and more mobile than the TEs before him. This allows the TE position to be used as an offensive threat in more sets, more routes, and more situations.

1. You called that comment, "homerism". Did you not?

2. Then, you said that "Winslow was very athletic and moved around". Did you not?

As for point one. I'm simply using the media hack’s article to demonstrate that you don't have to be a "homer" to recognize that TG brought a new dimension to the TE position. You and I both know that a lot of people would agree with me and they don't happen to be homers. Actually, many of them are NFL scouts.

As for point two, Winslow's knees were so bad (particularly later in his career) that he was simply not as mobile and quick as TG. Not even close.

Ozzie was, basically, a tackle with great hands.

I respect your opinion, don't get me wrong. I always have. And, if you want to have a civilized conversation about differences in opinion on the subject of football, fine. Otherwise, maybe you can find someone else to kiss your ass for you.

FAX

First FAX, I really did not mean to insult you.
I only wanted to make my feelings about the media clear.

I hold you in the highest regard.

As for Winslow, I know he was limited by his knees to some extent, but when the play started, he put it all on the field, and made spectacular plays.

Much the same as Tony has been somewhat limited by his feet the last couple of years.

I disagree with the term "redefined the position" because I see similiarities in their game, though I would say that Tony is a more complete blocker.

**Mr. Kotter** · 06-03-2006, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

First FAX, I really did not mean to insult you.
I only wanted to make my feelings about the media clear.

I hold you in the highest regard.

As for Winslow, I know he was limited by his knees to some extent, but when the play started, he put it all on the field, and made spectacular plays.

Much the same as Tony has been somewhat limited by his feet the last couple of years.

I disagree with the term "redefined the position" because I see similiarities in their game, though I would say that Tony is a more complete blocker.

I agree with FAX, but of course I'm a big time homer too.

I also would submit, Tony has been more consistent....over a longer period of time. If he has even 2 or 3 decent years, that will be true. Tony's been playing 10 years--at a mostly and consistently high level. JHO.

**RealSNR** · 06-03-2006, 04:19 PM

The ESPN media has been looking for someone to beat Gonzalez out as the league's best TE during his entire career, and they finally found it in the "kid from SD". He's had a lot of contenders, and all of them have failed. Shockey, Heap, The Chosen One, etc have all been supposed contenders who challenged Gonzalez for the title of best NFL TE, and they all pretty much lost, even if they had decent seasons. The "kid from SD" has really been the only one to actually beat Gonzo not only once, but twice.

I, nor anyone really knows exactly what he (Gonzalez) does during the offseason, but it's been awhile since we've noticed a considerable change or improvement in Gonzalez's play during training camp and preseason. We've noticed it in a lot of vets. Kennison, Roaf, and Richardson to name a few. Trent Green's season numbers simply got better and better from year to year for awhile. I'd like to see Gonzalez do the same this year as those guys did.

And in order to reclaim his title, he's going to have to have an offseason like that. Just my opinion, of course.

BucEyedPea · 06-03-2006, 04:20 PM

eh! Anything can change. These players always say these things, until they're too expensive to keep around, or they're a cap casualty. Just ask John Lynch.

Mr. Laz · 06-03-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by The Poz

Chiefs | Gonzalez wants to end his career in Kansas City

translation "i wanna get paid"

milkman · 06-03-2006, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Kotter

I agree with FAX, but of course I'm a big time homer too.

I also would submit, Tony has been more consistent....over a longer period of time. If he has even 2 or 3 decent years, that will be true. Tony's been playing 10 years--at a mostly and consistently high level. JHO.

I'm not debating whether Tony is better.
I am only debating whether Tony has actually redefined the position.

I would say that he is the standard by which TEs will be measured in the future.

JBucc · 06-03-2006, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I, nor anyone really knows exactly what he (Gonzalez) does during the offseason

I think he nurses his foot

FAX · 06-03-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree with the term "redefined the position" because I see similiarities in their game, though I would say that Tony is a more complete blocker.

No problem, Mr. milkman. And, I want to apologize to you for the way I responded. It was despicable, outrageous, and completely uncalled for.

I am emotionally distressed for some reason. I don't know if it's because I remembered that I'm going to die someday, or it's because Mr. Donger's imaginary bird got eaten, or I haven't taken any lortab today, but I'm not myself.

Still and all, that's no excuse. So two things; One, I apologize. Two, I think you're probably right about TG not redefining the position. I mean, after all, they don't call it the Tight Tony now or anything.

FAX THE SORRY

**RealSNR** · 06-03-2006, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

No problem, Mr. milkman. And, I want to apologize to you for the way I responded. It was despicable, outrageous, and completely uncalled for.

I am emotionally distressed for some reason. I don't know if it's because I remembered that I'm going to die someday, or it's because Mr. Donger's imaginary bird got eaten, or I haven't taken any lortab today, but I'm not myself.

Still and all, that's no excuse. So two things; One, I apologize. Two, I think you're probably right about TG not redefining the position. I mean, after all, they don't call it the Tight Tony now or anything.

FAX THE SORRY

http://itsatrap.ytmnd.com

milkman · 06-03-2006, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FAX

No problem, Mr. milkman. And, I want to apologize to you for the way I responded. It was despicable, outrageous, and completely uncalled for.

I am emotionally distressed for some reason. I don't know if it's because I remembered that I'm going to die someday, or it's because Mr. Donger's imaginary bird got eaten, or I haven't taken any lortab today, but I'm not myself.

Still and all, that's no excuse. So two things; One, I apologize. Two, I think you're probably right about TG not redefining the position. I mean, after all, they don't call it the Tight Tony now or anything.

FAX THE SORRY

There once was a poster named FAX
For reasons unknown had to grind an ax.

He usually kept his cool
but because milkman is a fool

He chewed his ass to the max.

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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Excerpt from an Associated Content article by a non-Chiefs fan homer type person. I can guarantee that when Gonzalez’s playing days are over, he will be recognized as the first of the new breed of tight ends that are currently setting the league on fire with the usual size of a tight end but displaying the grace, speed and catching ability of a wide receiver. Link To Article FAX
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