Gannon vs. Grbac II: Croyle vs. Printers - Page 3

**cdcox** · 08-04-2006, 11:42 PM

Who do you, deep down in your heart, want to be the true-one-and-only QBOFT? No hedging bets saying that you want whoever will be best of the Chiefs. Take a stand. Bear your soul. I made the poll public so you can know who to hate.

**cdcox** · 08-06-2006, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Early in his career, Young had the same problems as most running QBs.

He didn't succeed at a high level untl he became a pocket passer that could run when necessary, rather than a runner who happened to play the QB position.

Yup. There have only been two QBs who's rushing totals have exceeded 10% of their passing totals in a year they won the SB. Who are they?

I'm excluding Hostetler from this question, since he didn't play most of the Giants regular season games in 1990.

JBucc · 08-06-2006, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Yup. There have only been two QBs who's rushing totals have exceeded 10% of their passing totals in a year they won the SB. Who are they?

I'm excluding Hostetler from this question, since he didn't play most of the Giants regular season games in 1990.

Uh, Steve Young? And...................................................someone else?

I really have no idea.

**cdcox** · 08-06-2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

Uh, Steve Young? And...................................................someone else?

I really have no idea.

Not Young. I've got to run off to church, but I'll be back later.

greg63 · 08-06-2006, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Moooo

IMO Steve Young had the perfect balance.

Moooo

Good example.

Adept Havelock · 08-06-2006, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Moooo

Mobile QBs are a better choice in theory. Mobile QBs have more talent. The problem comes in having this talent it becomes very difficult to balance. As if the NFL QB position wasn't tough enough, a prospect mobile QB has to learn how to balance his ability to run along with it.

So IMO Mobile QBs are better ideally, but since they rarely are able to balance their skills effectively, they end up falling short quite often. You can make a pass a little better when you don't have that seed in the back of your mind to tuck it in and run with it.

Though as I said before, ths consequently lets Mobile QBs throw fewer picks which can sometimes counter their lack of ability and run/pass balance.

Moooo

I'm not a big fan of Mobile QB's. Or QB's from almost anywhere else in Alabama....

Seriously though, Young was a great middle ground between Pocket and Mobile QB's.

milkman · 08-06-2006, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Yup. There have only been two QBs who's rushing totals have exceeded 10% of their passing totals in a year they won the SB. Who are they?

I'm excluding Hostetler from this question, since he didn't play most of the Giants regular season games in 1990.

I'm going to guess that Roger Staubach was one.

And, what the hell, Joe Namath.

KCBOSS1 · 08-06-2006, 09:22 AM

Keep Croyles & Printers, release Huard. done.

Mr. Laz · 08-06-2006, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Intelligence and poise are every bit as much a part of the equation as athleticism is when speaking of the QB position.

Croyle's reported pocket presense makes him the QB with the most potential, and his reported intelligence make it more likley for him to achieve that potential.

nope...

printers can learn the mental part of the game ....... croyle can't learn to run faster or grow bigger.

thus Printers has the most total potiential

but once again, croyle is more likely to succeed imo.

milkman · 08-06-2006, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

nope...

printers can learn the mental part of the game ....... croyle can't learn to run faster or grow bigger.

thus Printers has the most total potiential

but once again, croyle is more likely to succeed imo.

I disagree.

Kordell Stewart never got it.
Michael Vick is going into his 5th(?) season, and is still a terrible pocket QB.

The reality is that only a couple of guys that were running QBs ever really got it.

Steve Young and (maybe) Steve McNair.

If you, as a QB, don't already have an instinctual grasp of the intellectual aspect of the position, then it's highly unlikely you'll ever get it.

And the natuarl poise that Croyle is reported to have is rarely, if ever, developed.

The QB who already has a mental grasp of the position is far more likely to succeed, which automatically makes him the QB with the most potential.

Hammock Parties · 08-06-2006, 10:08 AM

Fran Tarkenton.

milkman · 08-06-2006, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Frank Tarkenton.

Fran.

But he never won a SB.

**cdcox** · 08-06-2006, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Yup. There have only been two QBs who's rushing totals have exceeded 10% of their passing totals in a year they won the SB. Who are they?

I'm excluding Hostetler from this question, since he didn't play most of the Giants regular season games in 1990.

Still no correct answers to the question above.

Mr. Laz · 08-06-2006, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I disagree.

Kordell Stewart never got it.
Michael Vick is going into his 5th(?) season, and is still a terrible pocket QB.

The reality is that only a couple of guys that were running QBs ever really got it.

Steve Young and (maybe) Steve McNair.

If you, as a QB, don't already have an instinctual grasp of the intellectual aspect of the position, then it's highly unlikely you'll ever get it.

And the natuarl poise that Croyle is reported to have is rarely, if ever, developed.

The QB who already has a mental grasp of the position is far more likely to succeed, which automatically makes him the QB with the most potential.

didn't i say both times that Croyle is the more likely to succeed?

the idea is that if you could choose 1 guy to reach his potiential and be your guy ... who would it be?

Casey Printers has the most potiential ... so he's your guy

now if you want to ask the question "who is most likely to succeed?

i say (again) it's Croyle

JBucc · 08-06-2006, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

Still no correct answers to the question above.

Bradshaw and Jim Mcmahon?

**cdcox** · 08-06-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JBucc

Bradshaw and Jim Mcmahon?

Ding! Nice job.

Bradshaw in 1975 threw for 2055 while rushing for 210.

McMahon in 1985 passed for 2392 while running for 252.

These were not great QB rushing perfomances by any stretch of the imagination. Our own Len Dawson, a classic pocket passer even had one of these years and his rushing total eclipsed either of the above two: throwing for 2390 while rushing for 272.

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