Hypothetical.....Would You Trade Green

[NaptownChief]

Under the following assumptions:

• Chiefs come out and lose in week 4 to the 9ers and go 0-3. That would leave them having to go at least 10-3 to 11-2 in their final 16 games to make the playoffs(virtually impossible).

• Trent Green is medically cleared to play and wants to play.

• Daniel Snyder comes in willing to give up at least a 2nd rounder possibly a 1st rounder for Green to go to Washington and run Saunders offense.

[Otter]

For a first round draft pick, yes, I think it’s at least 2 years before this team has another shot at a Super Bowl run and given the concussion Trent may be a shot away from saying “later”.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by Laz

but all those things won't happen until next year ...... i think he means a "short rebuild"


just develop a QB while our line is down ...... grab a 1st round pick and go with a younger QB next year.

exactly...this is a team that needs a QBOTF quickly as it is not the least bit crazy to think Green might shut it down after this season when he reflects on nearly getting his brained smeared to mush...

And the extra 1st rounder could go a long way in plugging one of the tackle holes....and if we find out that Croyle is the answer at QB then the other 1st rounder could plug another hole at WR, G or tackle. It would have a chance to build it back up with just one down year.....And considering the offense next year will almost certainly be the Herm conservative ball control/clock management style of offense it is not far fetched to think a 2nd year QB like Croyle could succeed in that...Much like Big Ben did in his 2nd year in that type of offense in Pitt.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

And scrapping everything will get us those 2 tackles, a guard and all the skill positions we traded away for picks?

where did he say "scrap everything"?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

exactly...this is a team that needs a QBOTF quickly as it is not the least bit crazy to think Green might shut it down after this season when he reflects on nearly getting his brained smeared to mush...

And the extra 1st rounder could go a long way in plugging one of the tackle holes....and if we find out that Croyle is the answer at QB then the other 1st rounder could plug another hole at WR, G or tackle. It would have a chance to build it back up with just one down year.....And considering the offense next year will almost certainly be the Herm conservative ball control/clock management style of offense it is not far fetched to think a 2nd year QB like Croyle could succeed in that...Much like Big Ben did in his 2nd year in that type of offense in Pitt.

a calculated risk ......... if Croyle works out, then we have a chance to win big.

young defense
young QB
young RB
2 first round picks

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

And scrapping everything will get us those 2 tackles, a guard and all the skill positions we traded away for picks?

I'm confused as to how trading a QB that is unlikely to play more than 1-2 years after this season constitutes "scrapping everything". Unless you think it is highly likely for the team to go 10-3 or better after a 0-3 start.

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by Laz

but all those things won't happen until next year ...... i think he means a "short rebuild"

With all the QBs we've been through, we should know that Pro Bowl QBs don't grow on trees either. Green in the best QB the Chiefs have had since I have been following them (and for 15 years before that). Yes, I'd rather have him than Montana at the level Montana was at when we got him.

I am impressed with Croyle too, but I'm not going to let 30-45 minutes worth of play in preseason against players that didn't even make rosters convince me that Croyle is good enough to step in and replace Green.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

With all the QBs we've been through, we should know that Pro Bowl QBs don't grow on trees either. Green in the best QB the Chiefs have had since I have been following them (and for 15 years before that). Yes, I'd rather have him than Montana at the level Montana was at when we got him.

I am impressed with Croyle too, but I'm not going to let 30-45 minutes worth of play in preseason against players that didn't even make rosters convince me that Croyle is good enough to step in and replace Green.

that's why would should be playing Croyle while Green is hurt.


we get to find out more about Croyle ... how good he is.


we are already running a "rookie QB offense" .... might as well play the rookie instead a 10 year vet.


Naptown's senerio was based on when Green comes back ...... that should of given us 3 weeks to see Croyle play in live NFL action.


Herm knew what kind of offensive game plan he was calling ..... he should of played the rookie.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

With all the QBs we've been through, we should know that Pro Bowl QBs don't grow on trees either. Green in the best QB the Chiefs have had since I have been following them (and for 15 years before that). Yes, I'd rather have him than Montana at the level Montana was at when we got him.

I am impressed with Croyle too, but I'm not going to let 30-45 minutes worth of play in preseason against players that didn't even make rosters convince me that Croyle is good enough to step in and replace Green.

If we could freeze father time and keep the 2005 version of Trent Green for another 5-10 years I would agree with you but unfortunately that isn't going to happen. Unlike our GM did with Roaf, he needs to wake up and have a contingency plan for Green as he will be announcing his retirement soon enough and could be much sooner than many expect. I'm guessing Croyle was Peterson's mild stab at trying to have a plan in place.

[Skip Towne]

Originally Posted by bill parcells

thats a rebuilding strategy..hypothetically..do you think the chiefs are really that bad???

My avatar will blow the doors off of your avatar.

[PastorMikH]

Originally Posted by Laz

that's why would should be playing Croyle while Green is hurt.


we get to find out more about Croyle ... how good he is.


we are already running a "rookie QB offense" .... might as well play the rookie instead a 10 year vet.


Naptown's senerio was based on when Green comes back ...... that should of given us 3 weeks to see Croyle play in live NFL action.


Herm knew what kind of offensive game plan he was calling ..... he should of played the rookie.

The one problem I see playing Croyle right now is I think he would really benifit from a year of just hitting the weights and bulking up a bit to help his durability. Those won't be College-level DL hitting them, they will be pros. With his past, I don't know how long he would last back there right now.

[2112]

Originally Posted by Skip Towne

My avatar will blow the doors off of your avatar.

oh yeah!!!

you dont have Steve Mcqueen driving your avatar though!!!

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by PastorMikH

The one problem I see playing Croyle right now is I think he would really benifit from a year of just hitting the weights and bulking up a bit to help his durability. Those won't be College-level DL hitting them, they will be pros. With his past, I don't know how long he would last back there right now.

that's true, and in a perfect NFL season that's what would of happened.

but we are calling a game right now that is designed to eat clock and protect the QB.

it ain't gonna get much easier for a rookie QB than that.


if Croyle is good ..... we win big .... if Croyle sucks, then it doesn't really matter either way.

[Logical]

I believe Trent is not going to fit Herm's offense and believe a trade would be in our best interest. Unfortunately you are not going to get a 1 or 2 for Trent.

[kc1977]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

So to have a valid poll on whether you would trade Trent Green I need to make up something completely unknown on Brodie Croyle?

No - a valid poll would have a choice of not trading Trent Green without having to also select that you believe that we will go 11-2 the rest of the year.

Someone can think that it is not a good idea to trade Trent Green and at the same time not think that we will go 11-2 when he comes back.

That, is the definition of a valid poll. There was NO valid option for said person.

You should be in the media and a I'm sure you're a liberal as well - this is their favored M.O.

[Hammock Parties]

Absolutely not. For two reasons.

1. This is not Green's final year. He has stated he wants to play until he is 40. I think he could play another two years.

2. It would be a big slap in the face to the second-best quarterback this franchise has ever had. he has his roots here. We'd basically be telling "Thanks for all the touchdowns, Trent. Now get the **** out."