Has flu paranoia hit your area?

[4th and Long]

Originally Posted by H5N1

the people that died in the 1917 flu pandemic called to say you're full of sh*t

REP!

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by H5N1

the people that died in the 1917 flu pandemic called to say you're full of sh*t

Go down and have them pump you full of that shit then.

Dongless

This is thee only thread left on it. Lots of stats. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...mercury+autism

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Go down and have them pump you full of that shit then.

Dongless

This is thee only thread left on it. Lots of stats. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showt...mercury+autism

heh--that's the funny thing, BD--never had a flu shot here

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by H5N1

the people that died in the 1917 flu pandemic called to say you're full of sh*t

How does the state of sanitation in 2006 differ from 1917?

What sorts of countries currently experience the most influenza deaths per cap?

I remember hearing in the late 80s/early 90s that AIDS was going to mutate and become airborne, and also that it was going to become pandemic here. But the reality is, that people in the United States who don't engage in high risk behaviors are not at high risk.

Color me skeptical.

When it starts affecting average, healthy, non-elderly or non-infantile people in first world countries then I will be scared of eleventy billion people in the world dying including me. Until then, it will still sound like hysteria over nothing to me. If I were elderly or had an infant child I might be scared and rioting for vaccinations.

[BIG_DADDY]

Originally Posted by Cochise

How does the state of sanitation in 2006 differ from 1917?

What sorts of countries currently experience the most influenza deaths per cap?

I remember hearing in the late 80s/early 90s that AIDS was going to mutate and become airborne, and also that it was going to become pandemic here. But the reality is, that people in the United States who don't engage in high risk behaviors are not at high risk.

Color me skeptical.

When it starts affecting average, healthy, non-elderly or non-infantile people in first world countries then I will be scared of eleventy billion people in the world dying including me. Until then, it will still sound like hysteria over nothing to me. If I were elderly or had an infant child I might be scared and rioting for vaccinations.

Apparently H5N1 doesn't understand sarcasm. I have noticed people who get the vaccines tend to just be sicker people in general which may explain their need to get one. As an example I have one guy in my office who is getting the vaccine. He is out sick today. I am going to guess he is out sick 10 days this year, that's about normal for him. I have never taken off a sick day since we started this company.

[Ebolapox]

Originally Posted by Cochise

How does the state of sanitation in 2006 differ from 1917?

What sorts of countries currently experience the most influenza deaths per cap?

I remember hearing in the late 80s/early 90s that AIDS was going to mutate and become airborne, and also that it was going to become pandemic here. But the reality is, that people in the United States who don't engage in high risk behaviors are not at high risk.

Color me skeptical.

When it starts affecting average, healthy, non-elderly or non-infantile people in first world countries then I will be scared of eleventy billion people in the world dying including me. Until then, it will still sound like hysteria over nothing to me. If I were elderly or had an infant child I might be scared and rioting for vaccinations.

oh, that's just the crux--sanitation is worlds better than it was in 1917... however, our ability to spread an infection over large areas of population is MUCH more dangerous than it was in 1917... in 1917, one could only get from europe to america via ship which took several weeks--in several HOURS now, a guy who's infected with virus A (fictional virus for this example), he could have flown from southeast asia, infected about ten people onboard, and infected 10% of the people he comes in contact with via sneezes/etc... by the time he's at his american destination (or in the hospital ER), he's already infected at LEAST a 20-30 people (conservative estimate)

and THOSE people infect another 20-30 people each

all of the sudden, even if THOSE people don't catch another airline or drive somewhere, you've got a MAJOR outbreak on your hands--even worse if it infects stew people (airline steward/esses--supposedly how HIV ran rampant in early 80's)

that's the whole issue with the next pandemic--history tells us that there's generally a major pandemic (be it flu or another virus/bacterium) every century or so--we're due, honestly... and the problem with our sanitation is that even if we have the BEST sanitation in the world, if you dump a few thousand corpses into the best hospital and overwhelm the doctors/nurses of the hospital, they won't be able to contain the infection via the safe 'barrior' methods of quarantine

so all of the sudden, you're going to hell in a handbasket whether it's flu or another virus/bacteria--I've talked with jimnasium about this before (he's the resident public health expert, I'm merely a student)--when it really comes down to it, there's absolutely NO defense against the 'perfect storm'--you do what you CAN do, protect the very young and very old

that's basically where 1917 differentiated from other flu strains--it didn't just run roughshod through the elderly and extremely young, it ran rampant in the 'young adult' and 'middle aged' people--which is what they're afraid Avian flu will do if/when it ever comes

jeesh--sorry for the encyclopedia, this is just a subject (public health) that I'm passionate about

[cdcox]

My keyboard at work has all kinds of food crumbs on it, not to mention dried on food on the table it sits on. Plus, I never wash my coffee cup, or wipe down the interior of my truck. Therefore, I'm constantly exposed to all kinds of powerful bacteria and virus' that keeps my immune system on its toes. I very seldom get sick. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. However, I do wash my hands at least half a dozen times a day, to avoid exposing myself to unfamiliar bugs.

[Hydrae]

I got a shot this year as the last several years. Hey, the company pays for it, why not?

[Iowanian]

I still disagree.

[Demonpenz]

I ususally get one large companies ususally provide incentives to get them. Saves them in the long run if everyone's not sick.

[Fish]

I've never gotten a flu shot... ever. And I work in a large university sometimes touching 10 or more public keyboards a day. I've only had the flu once in my life. I'm about the furthest thing from a germ free person... I never wash my coffee cup, only wash my hands when I piss on them, share food with the dog, etc....

It's not a popular belief, but I think people are a little too germ free these days. These instant hand sanitizers kill 99% of germs and bacteria, but that other 1% that survives can build an immunity to the sanitizers that could harm you worse than if you let your body deal with it normally like it's supposed to. Same with parents shooting their kids up with antibiotics all the time. Pharmaceuticals are making a killing selling to parents that are scared of their kids getting sick.

Not to say there aren't good uses for it, but using it as a preventive measure year after year is just making your body more reliant on the shot and less capable of fighting it off on it's own.

[luv]

Originally Posted by KC Fish

I've never gotten a flu shot... ever. And I work in a large university sometimes touching 10 or more public keyboards a day. I've only had the flu once in my life. I'm about the furthest thing from a germ free person... I never wash my coffee cup, only wash my hands when I piss on them, share food with the dog, etc....

It's not a popular belief, but I think people are a little too germ free these days. These instant hand sanitizers kill 99% of germs and bacteria, but that other 1% that survives can build an immunity to the sanitizers that could harm you worse than if you let your body deal with it normally like it's supposed to. Same with parents shooting their kids up with antibiotics all the time. Pharmaceuticals are making a killing selling to parents that are scared of their kids getting sick.

Not to say there aren't good uses for it, but using it as a preventive measure year after year is just making your body more reliant on the shot and less capable of fighting it off on it's own.

When you get the shot, you are fighting it off. The purpose of the shot is to help you build up your immunity. That's why some people still get sick after getting it.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by luv

When you get the shot, you are fighting it off. The purpose of the shot is to help you build up your immunity. That's why some people still get sick after getting it.

Every flu shot you get forces your body to have a little jump in antibody production. That antibody production normally occurs naturally in the body, but now you're forcing your body to produce it at times when it may not even need it. After repeating that the following year(s), your body is now used to having that extra boost to help fight off the flu, and produces less antibody on it's own.

Add to that the fact that each time you take a flu shot, some of the influenza strains you're carrying adapt and build an immunity to the vaccine. That's why new shots must be developed every year. The vaccine you took last year won't have an effect this year, because the influenza has adapted to it. So you're constantly creating a new cocktail, while creating more resistant strains of influenza at the same time. Each new vaccine you take makes you a little less naturally resistant, which is why some people still get sick after getting the shot.

Like I said, there are lots of people who do need them. But it should be restricted to those who's immune system cannot produce it's own antibodies for other reasons.

[Iowanian]

I don't doubt there is some validity to what you're saying in this post, however I think its a bit misleading.

The powers that be, make their best guess as to which strains of flu will be prevalent, many months in advance for the coming year. They make teh vaccine to fight that strain of flu...lets say Strain A......then, El Nino and a guy named Larry brings Influenza B from his Visit to a Phillipine brothel and even the people vaccinated for A, can become ill.

I think alot of the misconception with the flu shot, is that you "won't get the pukes or the shats", which are not the major symptoms of the actual Influenza that causes concern.

Originally Posted by KC Fish

Every flu shot you get forces your body to have a little jump in antibody production. That antibody production normally occurs naturally in the body, but now you're forcing your body to produce it at times when it may not even need it. After repeating that the following year(s), your body is now used to having that extra boost to help fight off the flu, and produces less antibody on it's own.

Add to that the fact that each time you take a flu shot, some of the influenza strains you're carrying adapt and build an immunity to the vaccine. That's why new shots must be developed every year. The vaccine you took last year won't have an effect this year, because the influenza has adapted to it. So you're constantly creating a new cocktail, while creating more resistant strains of influenza at the same time. Each new vaccine you take makes you a little less naturally resistant, which is why some people still get sick after getting the shot.
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[Iowanian]

I always go to Rolling Stone for my medical information.