Tournament: Worst Draft Choice of Peterson Era - Page 3

**OnTheWarpath15** · 12-13-2006, 09:42 AM

With the usual hate towards King Carl, especially this time of year with our hopes dashed once again, I thought we could take some time the rest of this month to make it official:

Who is the worst draft pick in the Carl Peterson era?

CP has been responsible for 18 years of Chiefs drafts. (1989-2006) To do it right, and vote for each year first, then have a playoff, would take forever. So in the interest of saving time, I've gone ahead and made a list of the worst draft pick each year. This thread will be the place to make an argument for a different player. Draft history can be found at:

http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/chiefs.html

Once it looks like we've come to an agreement on the representatives for each year, the voting will begin. Each day, I'll post a poll with two years facing off against each other. The winner moves on to the next round, bracket style. The matchups will be as follows:

1989 v 2006

1990 v 2005

1991 v 2004

1992 v 2003

1993 v 2002

1994 v 2001

1995 v 2000

1996 v 1999

1997 v 1998

Here are (for now) the finalists:

1989 - Mike Elkins QB R2
1990 - Fred Jones WR R4
1991 - Harvey Williams RB R1
1992 - Matt Blundin QB R2
1993 - Lindsay Knapp OG R5
1994 - Bracey Walker DB R4
1995 - Trezelle Jenkins OT R1
1996 - Dietrich Jells WR R6
1997 - Pat Barnes QB R4
1998 - Rashaan Shehee RB R3
1999 - Mike Cloud RB R2
2000 - Sylvester Morris WR R1
2001 - Eric Downing DT R3
2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1
2003 - Julian Battle DB R3
2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2
2005 - Craphonso Throrpe WR R4
2006 - Marcus Maxey DB R5

Warrior5 · 12-13-2006, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrum_69

Why playoff bashing...Chiefs arent out of it yet.

Just wait...San Diego wants to get even for the "being soft" comment we gave them after we won last time.....but I'm telling you that we will win the next three games...we will be a wildcard team.

San Diego is going on a three game slide starting this weekend...

KC will limit Ladainian to only 56 yards rushing...with 22 attempts..and no touchdowns.

LJ will have three rushing touchdowns and 199 rushing yards

Gonzalez will get two touchdowns

Chiefs 38
Chargers 17

Yep! Print 'em!

Chiefnj · 12-13-2006, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ck_IN

Personally I wouldn't call anyone drafted later then the 3rd round a bust and would therefore not be eligible for this question.

That said I'd say Sims has to be the winner. With all due respect to Jenkin's bustage, Sims was a 6th overall. Jenkins was a 31st overall pick.

I don't think Sims should be the winner since he was highly regarded coming out of college. Minnesota thought he was the best DT in the draft as well. That makes Sims the biggest bust of a player, but not necessarily the worst pick by Carl. Carl at least had an arguably legitimate basis for selecting Sims.

omeone like Jenkins or Siavii on the other hand, they were busts plus they were reaches. That's the height of GM ineptitude.

patteeu · 12-13-2006, 10:07 AM

If we've already seen the full extent of the contribution that Ryan Sims will make to the Chiefs, he wins the prize going away as far as I'm concerned.

Trezelle Jenkins is a strong candidate, but he was taken at the end of the first round. Sims was taken with the highest draft pick Carl has ever had aside from the one he used quite successfully on Derrick Thomas (he wasn't the guy who picked Neil Smith was he?).

Percy Snow and Sly Morris are also contenders, but it's hard to put all the blame for these guys on Carl since they both lost their careers to injuries before they could demonstrate their actual playing abilities.

Brock · 12-13-2006, 10:08 AM

Ryan Sims. When you draft a #6 pick and it's a failure it is devastating.

Fat Elvis · 12-13-2006, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brock

Ryan Sims. When you draft a #6 pick and it's a failure it is devastating.

Don't forget to add what we traded for that #6 pick when figuring the magnitude of his bust.

**HemiEd** · 12-13-2006, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrum_69

Correct me if I am wrong...but didnt we pass up on Joe Montana as a draft pick??

Yep, the Chiefs were the only team to pass on him.

dtebbe · 12-13-2006, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu

Percy Snow and Sly Morris are also contenders, but it's hard to put all the blame for these guys on Carl since they both lost their careers to injuries before they could demonstrate their actual playing abilities.

All I can tell you is that Percy Snow was a sack machine on techmo-bowl! Too bad he never realized his potiential in real life

DT

el borracho · 12-13-2006, 11:59 AM

Jenkins was the worst
Siavii the second worst
Sims the third worst

el borracho · 12-13-2006, 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by booyaf2

No need for a tournament. If Ryan Sims don't win this thing, its a conspiracy.

Sims was at least cast as a high first round pick by other teams so it is hard to completely fault Peterson. The real error that year was trading up to get Sims instead of taking one of the other highly rated DTs that were available that year. If we had just waited until our pick we would have had John Henderson and retained our 3rd round pick. Think about that.

Redrum_69 · 12-13-2006, 12:03 PM

Ryan Sims isnt that bad

Look who his coaches were.....

Sims deserves another shot.....

Frazod · 12-13-2006, 12:03 PM

Sims. No one drafted that high should suck so completely. He's stuck it to us from day one. What a pure useless piece of shit.

DIE SIMS DIE

el borracho · 12-13-2006, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redrum_69

Why playoff bashing...Chiefs arent out of it yet.

Just wait...San Diego wants to get even for the "being soft" comment we gave them after we won last time.....but I'm telling you that we will win the next three games...we will be a wildcard team.

San Diego is going on a three game slide starting this weekend...

KC will limit Ladainian to only 56 yards rushing...with 22 attempts..and no touchdowns.

LJ will have three rushing touchdowns and 199 rushing yards

Gonzalez will get two touchdowns

Chiefs 38
Chargers 17

Had a little eggnog this morning, did we?

el borracho · 12-13-2006, 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefnj

I don't think Sims should be the winner since he was highly regarded coming out of college. Minnesota thought he was the best DT in the draft as well. That makes Sims the biggest bust of a player, but not necessarily the worst pick by Carl. Carl at least had an arguably legitimate basis for selecting Sims.

omeone like Jenkins or Siavii on the other hand, they were busts plus they were reaches. That's the height of GM ineptitude.

The Siavii fiasco was worse than the Sims pick by far. Olshansky was on the board for us but Carl traded down and we missed him. Instead we got Siavii who was worthless and Wilson who likely could have been had much later. Those are serious draft blunders. Much worse than drafting the top rated player and having that player turn out to be a bust.

**BigRedChief** · 12-13-2006, 12:10 PM

Man King Carl has really whiffed on DT's
2001 - Eric Downing DT R3
2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1
2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2
Add this to the recent list of DT's taken...What year was Freeman DT taken in the 2nd round?

**Iowanian** · 12-13-2006, 12:16 PM

Trezelle Jenkins.

12-13-2006, 09:42 AM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $2071115	Tournament: Worst Draft Choice of Peterson Era With the usual hate towards King Carl, especially this time of year with our hopes dashed once again, I thought we could take some time the rest of this month to make it official: Who is the worst draft pick in the Carl Peterson era? CP has been responsible for 18 years of Chiefs drafts. (1989-2006) To do it right, and vote for each year first, then have a playoff, would take forever. So in the interest of saving time, I've gone ahead and made a list of the worst draft pick each year. This thread will be the place to make an argument for a different player. Draft history can be found at: http://www.drafthistory.com/teams/chiefs.html Once it looks like we've come to an agreement on the representatives for each year, the voting will begin. Each day, I'll post a poll with two years facing off against each other. The winner moves on to the next round, bracket style. The matchups will be as follows: 1989 v 2006 1990 v 2005 1991 v 2004 1992 v 2003 1993 v 2002 1994 v 2001 1995 v 2000 1996 v 1999 1997 v 1998 Here are (for now) the finalists: 1989 - Mike Elkins QB R2 1990 - Fred Jones WR R4 1991 - Harvey Williams RB R1 1992 - Matt Blundin QB R2 1993 - Lindsay Knapp OG R5 1994 - Bracey Walker DB R4 1995 - Trezelle Jenkins OT R1 1996 - Dietrich Jells WR R6 1997 - Pat Barnes QB R4 1998 - Rashaan Shehee RB R3 1999 - Mike Cloud RB R2 2000 - Sylvester Morris WR R1 2001 - Eric Downing DT R3 2002 - Ryan Sims DT R1 2003 - Julian Battle DB R3 2004 - Junior Siavii DT R2 2005 - Craphonso Throrpe WR R4 2006 - Marcus Maxey DB R5
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12-13-2006, 10:07 AM	#33
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12-13-2006, 10:08 AM	#34
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12-13-2006, 11:59 AM	#38
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12-13-2006, 12:03 PM	#40
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