ESPN has already forgotten about Lamar

[pr_capone]

Just finished watching their year in review.

They did a piece on remembering all the people who passed this year.. Puckett, Heyworth, Tiger Wood's dad. BUT NO LAMAR!

WTF?!?!?! Tiger Wood's dad deserves a mention but Lamar doesnt?!?!?

ESPN can lick my sack. I'll leave it unwashed for the next few weeks jus for when they lick it.

BASTAGES!

[Skip Towne]

I liked the AFL far better than the NFL.. Lots more scoring, two point conversion, names on the back of the jersey. The NFL wa stodgy by comparison. I was pissed to see the merger. I wanted the AFL to run them out of town.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by FAX

I wasn't suggesting you were a homer, Mr. dirk digler. Rather, I was stating that I am. And darn proud of it, too.

I think you're right about the New York franchise, though. As I said earlier, I can understand why the Chiefs garner little attention - we suck. But, Lamar's another story. He deserves better.

FAX

Lamar definitely deserves better and I am homer as well but maybe not as much as you.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Mara instituted the policy of revenue sharing when he, as a NY owner, was in a position to benefit most from preventing it. Mara could easily have been the NFL Steinbrenner but cared more about the game.
Hunt accomplished some great things but revenue sharing was not among them.

Read Mara's bio, he became an owner when he was 14 years old and built the NFL.

As always a Donkey fan talking out his ass.

In formulating the AFL television contract, Hunt copied an idea from baseball's Branch Rickey, who was trying to start a third major league, the Continental League, and pool two-thirds of TV revenue. The idea became the framework for current NFL revenue sharing.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Mara instituted the policy of revenue sharing when he, as a NY owner, was in a position to benefit most from preventing it. Mara could easily have been the NFL Steinbrenner but cared more about the game.
Hunt accomplished some great things but revenue sharing was not among them.

Read Mara's bio, he became an owner when he was 14 years old and built the NFL.

Where do you think he got the idea, you dumb sonofabitch?


I would also like to point out that ESPN's #1 news story of the year was not the Tour de France scandal, not the Rose Bowl game, not the travails of Toothlessberger, not Tiger Woods winning two majors, not the US international teams falling flat on their face, but rather the T.O. suicide attempt. If that isn't a reason to stop watching ESPN, I don't know what is.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

As always a Donkey fan talking out his ass.

You might want to link your sources from now on. Like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Mara

"During the early 1960s, Wellington and his brother Jack, the owners of the NFL's largest market, agreed to share television revenue on a league-wide basis, dividing the amounts of money available in cities like New York with smaller market teams such as the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Green Bay Packers. That concept of revenue sharing allowed the NFL to grow and is still being used today. This is certainly Mara's lasting contribution to his game."

Perhaps you need a bit of a cooling off period before you can discuss issues related to Hunt in a rational manner. It is no insult to Hunt's legacy to acknowledge the multiple accomplishments Mara achieved in his 8 decades of ownership.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by 'Hummus' Jenkins

Where do you think he got the idea, you dumb sonofabitch?


I would also like to point out that ESPN's #1 news story of the year was not the Tour de France scandal, not the Rose Bowl game, not the travails of Toothlessberger, not Tiger Woods winning two majors, not the US international teams falling flat on their face, but rather the T.O. suicide attempt. If that isn't a reason to stop watching ESPN, I don't know what is.

Are you implying he got the idea from Hunt? Sources please. Why the name calling? You act like I tried to corner the silver market.

[dirk digler]

Originally Posted by vailpass

You might want to link your sources from now on. Like this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellington_Mara

"During the early 1960s, Wellington and his brother Jack, the owners of the NFL's largest market, agreed to share television revenue on a league-wide basis, dividing the amounts of money available in cities like New York with smaller market teams such as the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Green Bay Packers. That concept of revenue sharing allowed the NFL to grow and is still being used today. This is certainly Mara's lasting contribution to his game."

Perhaps you need a bit of a cooling off period before you can discuss issues related to Hunt in a rational manner. It is no insult to Hunt's legacy to acknowledge the multiple accomplishments Mara achieved in his 8 decades of ownership.

I am not trying to discredit Mara he was a great owner but he didn't have nearly the impact on the game as Lamar did.

It just pisses me off when we get the love fest for Mara and all day coverage from ESPN and what not but little for Lamar.

Here is some links to educate you:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...-sportstop-hed

http://www.startribune.com/503/story/875334.html

Hunt -- despite being the heir to a giant oil fortune -- had a bit of socialism in him. He embraced an idea once promoted by zany baseball impresario Bill Veeck and then espoused by Continental League founder Branch Rickey.

•Here's the concept: All teams in a league should share network television money equally. That was the system that the Continental League would have used had it started play. It's the economic system the AFL employed when Hunt formed it.

•Soon, the old-line NFL adopted such a revenue-sharing idea, thus allowing franchises in markets the size of Minneapolis-St. Paul or, even, Green Bay, to compete favorably with the New Yorks and Chicagos of the sports world.

All thanks to Lamar Hunt, a sports business Hall o Famer, to be sure, who died Wednesday night at the age of 74.

[dirk digler]

Damn valipass I am straight up owning your ass

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Football_League

The NFL adopted many ideas introduced by the AFL, including names on player jerseys and revenue sharing of gate and television receipts. The older league also adopted the practice of using the stadium scoreboard clocks to keep track of the official game time, instead of just having a stop watch used by the referee. The AFL also introduced the two-point conversion to professional football thirty-four years before the NFL instituted it in 1994 (college football had adopted the two point conversion in the late 1950s). The AFL's challenge to the NFL also laid the groundwork for the Super Bowl, which has become the standard for championship contests.

Hunt's vision not only brought a new professional football league to California and New York, but introduced the sport to Colorado, restored it to Texas and later to fast-growing Florida, as well as bringing it to New England for the first time in 12 years. In addition, the AFL also adopted the first-ever cooperative television plan for professional football, in which the league office negotiated an ABC-TV contract, the proceeds of which were divided equally among member clubs.

Three NFL franchises were awarded as a direct result of the AFL's competition with the older league: the Vikings, who were awarded to Max Winter in exchange for dropping his bid to join the AFL; the Falcons, whose franchise went to Rankin Smith to dissuade him from purchasing the AFL's Miami Dolphins; and the Saints, because of successful anti-trust legislation supported by several Louisiana politicians, which let the two leagues merge.

Given the furious battle for playing talent, the AFL's arrival helped many black players from small colleges helped broaden the talent base for players who subsequently contributed to the sport.[2][3]

Another feature of the American Football League was its competitive balance. In the original eight-team league, in a fourteen game schedule, each team played every other team twice. Every team had the same "strength of schedule", so the division champions were clearly the best teams in each division. However a team that finished second in one division could have a better record than the team with the best record in the other division, while playing the same schedule. An example of this occurred in 1963, when the Raiders finished second in the West with a 10-4 record, while Boston won the East (after playing a playoff game) with a record of 7-6-1. Further, the league championships were evenly divided: five were won by Western Division teams, five by the Eastern Division; and of the original eight teams, all but two (Denver and Boston) won at least one AFL title, and only one (Denver) did not make the playoffs at some time during the league's ten-year existence.

[dirk digler]

http://www.remembertheafl.com/LamarHunt.htm

Hunt finally caught on to the NFL’s conservatism, and decided to start a league of his own. The result was the American Football League, one of the most successful American professional sports leagues of all time, and the true genesis of modern professional football. National network television of all league games? Revenue sharing of home receipts and television income? Moving cameras instead of static fifty-yard-line shots? Miked-up players? Recruiting small black colleges? Two-point touchdown conversions? Names on players’ jerseys? A clock on the scoreboard, so that fans knew the time remaining? Flashy offenses instead of three yards and a cloud of dust? A Thanksgiving Day game in a different city every year? All those innovations were made by Hunt’s brainchild, the AFL.

[dirk digler]

bump for Vali

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

I am not trying to discredit Mara he was a great owner but he didn't have nearly the impact on the game as Lamar did.

It just pisses me off when we get the love fest for Mara and all day coverage from ESPN and what not but little for Lamar.

Here is some links to educate you:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports...-sportstop-hed

The reason Mara gets more run than Hunt is he was there first and was there longer. Mara lived in the city with his team, Hunt was a visitor on game day. Hunt made strong contributions to the entity that Mara and his peers built. Your homerism is showing through big and loud when you say things like 'Mara didn't make near the contributions Hunt did'.
This is a KC board so you certainly have the right to your narrow and homerish view but you should recognize it for what it is. The rest of the country is more balanced thus the media coverage when Mara took the dirt nap was much more extensive than when hunt cornered that Great Silver Market in the sky.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by vailpass

The reason Mara gets more run than Hunt is he was there first and was there longer. Mara lived in the city with his team, Hunt was a visitor on game day. Hunt made strong contributions to the entity that Mara and his peers built. Your homerism is showing through big and loud when you say things like 'Mara didn't make near the contributions Hunt did'.
This is a KC board so you certainly have the right to your narrow and homerish view but you should recognize it for what it is. The rest of the country is more balanced thus the media coverage when Mara took the dirt nap was much more extensive than when hunt went to that Great Silver Market in the sky.

That's your second back-handed stab at Lamar.

Not very gracious, considering the man brought football to Colorado.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by stevieray

That's your second back handed stab at Lamar.

not very gracious, considering the man brought football to Colorado.

Please show me where I spoke incorrectly.

[stevieray]

Originally Posted by vailpass

Please show me where I spoke incorrectly.

using a failed past business adventure right after his death is bad form.

It's just my opinion.

[vailpass]

Originally Posted by stevieray

using a failed past business adventure right after his death is bad form.

It's just my opinion.

It isn't just a failed business venture if it results in criminal charges and the payment of a substantial fine. Out of respect for your wishes I'll drop the subject.