I am a GOOD American

[Mi_chief_fan]

Frazod,

I understand your point. I grew up in a rural agricultural area here in SW Michigan, and growing up, I used to think exactly like you, told by adults who think exactly like you. However, 'closing the borders' will not, and should not, ever happen, and here's why: the agriculture industry would die almost overnight. I worked the fields here as a child for a while, and it was the worst, hardest summer of my life. Hardly worth the minimum wage it pays. But it's a way of life for many of them. When it's 90+ degrees out in the hot sun, they're out in the fields(often times the entire family, even children, illegally) are out working sun-up to sun down. Do you think the farmers(or the corporations that own the farms) could find enough white people to go out in the fields and do this type of labor for minimum wage? Especially in Texas, where it's set at $3.35/hr(Don't know how Dubya got around the federal minimum wage law)?

Face it: the south, midwest & California need many of these illegal aliens. You, me, & even all the way up to the President know it. It's just another way that the face of America has changed.

[HC_Chief]

Taco John is not a 'good American' - he's a whiny donkey biatch trying to start trouble. If you do not follow his beliefs, if you do not agree with what he professes, you are obviously a neo-nazi racist who wants to clear-cut the world, rape and pillage indigenous peoples, and eat babies.

Typical far-left whacko - you would be best served ignoring the 2-brain celled fool.

[Frazod]

Michael, the funny thing is I DIDN'T used to feel this way. Perhaps no words are sufficient to describe how much I've hated living here for the past decade. I also admit that my attitude is sort of coming to a head now that my salvation is imminent. I wish I didn't feel this way, but its been (literally) beaten into me over the years.

I know we need them for agriculture. I also know that many of them come over, work the season, and then go back. As long as its controlled, I really don't have a problem with it. Of course, if you took all the welfare bums in major urban areas and told them that there would be no more free handouts, and there's work available farming, and take it or leave it, maybe we wouldn't need them.

The one thing I do know is we don't need any more of them where I'm at - no fields near me.

[Mi_chief_fan]

But a good response anyway. As far as the 'welfare bums' I agree-but there's a reason they're welfare bums- they don't want ANY kind of work. Mexicans, as far as i've always seen, are excellent workers. There's a great Mexican resteraunt here called el rodeo, they have them in Chicago too, that has great food & excellent service. My father -in-law is a tractor mechanic for a farm, and he's amazed at the work that the migrants get done.

[philfree]

According to the U.S. Census by the year 2050 Hispanics will make up the majority of the population in the U.S. of A. If my daughter gives me grandchildren I will be very happy but those little rascals better learn to speak Spanish because there is a good chance they will need it. Legal aliens should have to take an English Test beore they can become a citizen. Written and oral! Of course that doesn't do anything for the baby who was just given birth to by a sixteen year old illegal alien. That child is a U.S. Citizen. I have no ill will toward Hispanics but I see some major trouble brewing in the not to distant future. I may be overreacting but I fear that the American Heritage I enjoyed thus far in my lifetime will not be available for my grandchildren.

PhilFree

[Frazod]

Oops... sorry about that. Got you confused with the other Michigan guy.

And I agree, many of them (in fact, most of them) do work hard. Contrary to what Taco Boy may think of me, I don't hate everybody but me. If they work hard and serve a useful purpose, then why not. The ones I have a problem with serve no useful purpose (unless you consider gang crime and squeezing out welfare babies to be useful).

As for the people who don't want to work, if they were given a choice between working and starving, I'm thinking they would likely work.

[47mack]

Originally posted by Mi_chief_fan
But a good response anyway. As far as the 'welfare bums' I agree-but there's a reason they're welfare bums- they don't want ANY kind of work. Mexicans, as far as i've always seen, are excellent workers. There's a great Mexican resteraunt here called el rodeo, they have them in Chicago too, that has great food & excellent service. My father -in-law is a tractor mechanic for a farm, and he's amazed at the work that the migrants get done.

The reason that "welfare bums" don't want to work is because people like Taco support handouts.

[Frazod]

Phil, I totally concur. I'm getting married next month, and I don't even know if I want to have children, mainly because I don't think I'd want to subject them to what the world is becoming.

I think being able to speak English should be a basic, absolute qualification for gaining citizenship (unless the person in question is some brilliant scientist or something similar, in which case that person should be required to learn it quickly).

[LapDog]

Originally posted by Taco John
Take your 'me first' attitude and sit on it.

hehe...

I'm confused. *Who's* stuck in the 50's and 60's?

LapDog

[Rick Stephens]

I believe that people like Taco are what is ruining our country. He wants American citizens to register firearms because of their gang activity. Who commits most drive by shootings? Hispanic gang members. They come to our country after ruining their own and now want to ruin ours. He wants a free ride in our country. Why should I get a license for a handgun because these people don't know the first thing about firearm safety. I served my country in our armed forces and learned all about firearm use and safety. Now these fools think that I should get a license to own a hand gun.

Here in Kalifornia there was a case last week of a woman here illegally who had been using a phony Social Security number for 10 years and went to get a new drivers license and finally got caught. When she was denied a license she claims that she was singled out for being Hispanic. These illegals have no respect for the laws of our country. She had already broken the law when she crossed the border illegally, lied to the DMV to get a previous license, and then stolen some one elses Social Security number.

I have many neighbors who are Hispanic and they are also tired of the illegals who come here and totally disregard the laws, commit crimes and then go back to Mexico. One had a car totaled by an illegal, driving drunk , no insurance and a phoney drivers license. He got out of jail, and went back to Mexico and my neighbors insurance company foots the bill. Then they wonder why people don't welcome them with open arms. Go to Mexico and commit these crimes you get locked up and they throw away the key.

Taco also wants to vote in the next president. These people have no regards for voting laws either. My neighbor is the original owner of his house. He gets a card form the County of Orange telling him where to vote and it is addressed to some Hispanic and he is not Hispanic. Someone had registered as a legal citizen using his address. Here in the Peoples Republic of Kalifornia voter fraud is out of control and no matter what the people vote in we have some liberal judge who throws it out. We voted in English as the language to be used and it gets throw out, we voted to cut off welfare to the illegals and some liberal judge says that is unconstitional.

So Taco don't tell us what a good Ameican you are as you probably swam across the Rio Grande to get here or did you sneak through the desert where illegals die in the summer, then complain about your people dieing of the heat.

With the cost of displacing American workers, the cost of giving welfare to needy illegal aliens, and the cost of providing the general services, it is estimated that the annual cost of illegal immigrants is $19 Billion (even after giving credit for their tax contributions).

[Frazod]

Hey Rick, you should move to Naperville with me. Lots of new construction out there.

Between the earthquakes, power outages, liberals and illegal aliens, it seems to me that Kalifornia would NOT be a happy place to live. Plus, I understand they throw you in jail for smoking cigarettes - I wouldn't last an hour.

[Rick Stephens]

Frazod,

These liberals are something else. You can't smoke a Marlboro cigarette in a public place but you can smoke the baloney pony at a bus stop in San Franscisco.

Diane Fineswine, Gay Davis and Barbara Boxer have worried about the guns and cigarettes and can't keep the lights on.

Willie Davis signed a law into effect now where people who want sex change will get it paid for by the City of San Franscisco's medical insurance if you are an employee.

[Frazod]

What a fun day - checking the board during smoke breaks from working on wedding invitations, which must have handwritten addresses and be stuffed perfectly according to the merciless god of my universe, Emily Post. Ms. Post's demanding standards are enforced by her evil envoy on Earth, my future mother-in-law. She'll be a textbook mother-in-law, too.

Yesterday, traffic safety school to keep a ticket off my driving record. Today, wedding invitations. This weekend has SUCKED. Being back in the office tomorrow is looking pretty good right now. Anyway, enough whining about that.

The mismanagement and twisted ideals of the PRofK are mystifying to the rest of us. Again, I don't know how you stand it. The "Feinswine" thing cracked me up, though. What a bunch of idiots. I'd like to think even the most hardcore Marxist liberal would be more concerned about having electricity than people smoking in restaurants. Of course, logic doesn't apply to the people, so maybe not. I hope Feinswine is one of the government employees sweltering in the heat when the theromstats get cranked up. Of course, she probably won't be - rich, powerful liberals are above the standards imposed on the rest of us.

Frazod, when your solution to border control is to shoot mexicans, I'm going to instantly jump to the conclusion that you are a racist. Forgive me, but being half mexican, I've seen both sides of the story my whole life. My grandparents immigrated from mexico in the lat 30's. Why? Because America is the land of opportunity, and they wanted to be a part of it.

So what has changed today? Nothing. Why are Mexicans sneaking over the border. Because of opportunity. Many Mexicans that come here are just here for the money. Working in feilds during the summer gurantees a plush life back in Mexico the rest of the year. Much like when people spend their summers on Alaskan fishing boats for three months in Alaska, and then chill out for the rest of the year.

If you take away the opportunity to make money, then you'll get rid of illegal immagrants. But then again, it's not that easy is it? Because America has got an insatiable appetite for drugs, and there is another opportunity for immigrants of all kinds. And who controls the drug trade? Not the Government, because they've made it illegal. Instead, foriegn drug cartels control the drug trade (along with a handful of domestic ones, but it is much safer to sell drugs in the US if you live outside of it... Instead, you give people looking for opportunities to make vast amounts of money the risk).

Mexicans aren't the problem. Opportunity is. Don't tell me that you want to fix America by getting rid of the Mexicans, because you are not addressing the real problem, which is opportunity.

Of course, you could go on a Hitleresqe spree, and round up all of the mexicans, and the indians and the chinese, and put them in gas chambers for the benefit of the master race. But once you are finished, you won't have solved any problems. Americans will still be addicted to drugs, and someone will take the opportunity to make tons of money by feeding their addictions. Fields will still need to be harvested, and you'll have to find someone to do this thankless, backbreaking labor at a price Joe Farmer can afford to pay them at.

If you want to solve the problem, address it at it's source, not at its symptom.

Nice post Taco John.

FWIW, I think Frazod was speaking pretty much tongue-in-cheeck when he said "shoot 'em at the border". I've "known" him for years and he's not generally this frustrated. I don't pretend to speak for him but I do empathize with his plight.