Belichick Must Pay - Page 3

Hammock Parties · 09-12-2007, 10:41 PM

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When I heard about the outrageous cheating committed by the Patriots this past Sunday, my initial reaction was to call for the league to hit New England where it hurts most: the NFL draft

Draft picks are the lifeblood of any successful NFL franchise. You can’t build a competitive team through free agency (as the Washington Redskins continue to prove). The Patriots, Indianapolis Colts and Philadelphia Eagles draft well each year and continue to win.

Robbing the Patriots of their entire allotment of picks in next April’s draft would have sent a harsh message – cheating will not be tolerated. But it’s too harsh. It hurts the entire team – the coaches, players and front office personnel – and the entire team wasn’t responsible for what happened on New York’s sideline on Sunday. One man was.

Bill Belichick.

Belichick should be the one to pay the ultimate price for this transgression. He’s clearly the ringleader. It’s absurd to speculate that any assistant coach conspired with his co-workers to pull this off. New England’s head coach obviously signed off on the deal to steal New York’s signals, and as the man in charge, he should be the one to pay.

The NFL should suspend Belichick for the remainder of the 2007 season, without pay. He should be barred from participating with the team in any football-related matter, and all communication concerning coaching matters should be cut off.

This heavily penalizes Belichick while taking an appropriate toll on his team. Who knows what advantages they gained against the Jets with Randy Moss running through New York’s pilfered coverages. Without their head coach, the Patriots will be robbed of their leader and key strategist for a suitable time.

It’s unfair to take away draft picks. It robs New England’s players of the tools to get the job done on the field next year, and in future years. You might say taking away only a couple of picks would be punishment enough, but it’s not, especially for a team that’s as well-built in the present and drafts as well as the Patriots do.

This isn’t just about the Patriots, either. There are probably similar cases of undiscovered cheating going on around the league every weekend. We’d be naive fools to think otherwise.

Cutting off New England’s head (Belichick) will make everyone stand up and take notice.

It was important for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to do the right thing with Michael Vick, regardless of his status as a big-name quarterback. He sent a clear message to every NFL player when he suspended Vick indefinitely – behavior that reflects badly on the league will not be tolerated.

If Goodell doesn’t take the same stance with Belichick, he risks alienating hundreds of players league wide. Let Belichick off scott free, and it looks like players are accountable, but coaches aren’t.

Here’s the really disgusting part of this – Belichick isn’t apologetic in the least. In an official statement released on New England’s website, he referred to the blatant stealing of New York’s defensive signals as “a videotaping procedure” and “my interpretation of the rules.” That’s like Pacman Jones describing his illicit nightclub-related activities as “relaxation procedures” and “my interpretation of what I can get away with.”

For Goodell’s sake, I hope the penalty that comes down from the league offices doesn’t scream “double standard.” It’d be a shame, especially after the league took appropriate action with former Vikings head coach Mike Tice during his ticket-scalping scandal. Just because Belichick has won a few Super Bowls is no reason to treat him differently.

In fact, Belichick’s success only gives the league more reason to step in. Patriots owner Robert Kraft isn’t going to do anything, so someone who doesn’t have an emotional and financial investment in Belichick must.

I think it’s time for a “punishment procedure.”

BucEyedPea · 09-13-2007, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

He's such a terrible guy that Mangini!

That's not the point. The point is he was with the Pats for years. If he was so virtuous he'da reported it earlier. He's not doing it out of any virtue but to get another leg up over the Pats. Part of the continuing saga between him and BB. If this film was confiscated in the first quarter, then there was no film to use for the Pat's to unfairly win the game Sunday. Pats may have broken the rules but they did not get to cheat with it either as the film was confiscated before it could be used. Simple logic.

**2112** · 09-13-2007, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

That's not the point. The point is he was with the Pats for years. If he was so virtuous he'da reported it earlier. He's not doing it out of any virtue but to get another leg up over the Pats. Part of the continuing saga between him and BB. If this film was confiscated in the first quarter, then there was no film to use for the Pat's to unfairly win the game Sunday. Pats may have broken the rules but they did not get to cheat with it either as the film was confiscated before it could be used. Simple logic.

Spin Spin Spin

You don't know that it wasn't used during the game, nobody does.

Before they were with the Pats for years they were with the Jets for years, so what?

This has been going on since January 1997 between these two teams and it's nothing new.

Amnorix · 09-13-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

The game was relatively close until halftime.The dude was caught at halftime, or late in the 2nd quarter.

When mumbles staff was able to digest the info transmitted to them during the 1st half. after that it was some great 2nd half adjustments! it seemed like they knew exactly what was coming

errr...makes no sense. The video guy was bagged when the game was close, as you say. Pats never saw whatever he had taped before that (it went ot eh NFL, remember). According to NY newspapers, the tape was taken at the end of hte first half (before halftime).

So no cameraman, and no tape, at halftime, and we kicked your ass the second half.

Well, for the record, we kicked your ass the first half too, but the scoreboard didn't show it. We were clearly dominating hte game everywhere else, however, but the scoreboard. In the second half, the scoreboard started reflecting the obvious reality on the field.

Amnorix · 09-13-2007, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

The game was relatively close until halftime.The dude was caught at halftime, or late in the 2nd quarter.

When mumbles staff was able to digest the info transmitted to them during the 1st half. after that it was some great 2nd half adjustments! it seemed like they knew exactly what was coming

Yes, the Jets got there asses kicked. but to act like you are above the league or the NFL is pathetic.

Everybody tries to steal signals, thats why coaches cover there mouths when calling plays. but video taping and stealing radio signals and transmitting them to your players?

And, oh yes, LOL at your avatar.

**DaKCMan AP** · 09-13-2007, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

That's not the point. The point is he was with the Pats for years. If he was so virtuous he'da reported it earlier. He's not doing it out of any virtue but to get another leg up over the Pats. Part of the continuing saga between him and BB. If this film was confiscated in the first quarter, then there was no film to use for the Pat's to unfairly win the game Sunday. Pats may have broken the rules but they did not get to cheat with it either as the film was confiscated before it could be used. Simple logic.

He is employed by the NY Jets. His loyalty should be to the NY Jets. What BB and the Pats were doing hurts the NY Jets. It is his responsibility and obligation to diffuse any unethical activity that his directly harming his employer. It's pretty simple.

**2112** · 09-13-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

errr...makes no sense. The video guy was bagged when the game was close, as you say. Pats never saw whatever he had taped before that (it went ot eh NFL, remember). According to NY newspapers, the tape was taken at the end of hte first half (before halftime).

So no cameraman, and no tape, at halftime, and we kicked your ass the second half.

Well, for the record, we kicked your ass the first half too, but the scoreboard didn't show it. We were clearly dominating hte game everywhere else, however, but the scoreboard. In the second half, the scoreboard started reflecting the obvious reality on the field. [/QUOTE]

It might have had an effect on the game. nobody knows if this cameraman was communicating with somebody during the taping.

Do you?

Here's a great post from somebody else on another site about the Pats fans spinning.

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Originally Posted by MSGold12

Let me get this out of the way first...I still do not think the jets beat the pats last Sunday regardless of "spygate". I also do not think that the Pats would have been a .500 team these past 6 years if not for their cheating. That said, I find the hypocricy and arrogance of both the Patriots and their fans to this issue to be pathetic.

First the fans.

If I have to read one more freakin justification for what BB did I am going to puke. No JR Pats fans, he did not "misunderstand" the rules or "interpret them wrong"...he knew DAMN well what he was doing. Just like he knew damn well that if he sent 150K in cash to a marired woman (while he was married) via Fed Ex that it would pretty much prove that he was having some sort of affair with her. I have read where some fans think Holy Belli did this to expose this issue so it could be gotten rid of for good!!!!! Are you f-ing kidding me???? BL, Belicheck is a BAD person. He is paranoid and will do anyhting that he thinks will give himself an advantage. Whether that means skipping out on a contractual obligation to the jets or video taping other teams to steal signals or banging someone elses wife. Doesnt mean hes not a great coach, he is...but he's a BAD person. Just like a lot of very successful poeple are bad people. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing here and was so f-ing arrogant...he didn't care.

As to what effect this taping had on the Pats success...NONE of us has any true idea about that. Did the taping help them beat the jets this weekend? Maybe, maybe not. But if he was taping the jets last year, whose to say those tapes didnt help him? Whose to say they didnt tape the Rams and used the singals in that last game winning drive? How do we know its not the reason they beat Indy so easily all those year where suddenly Manning was "human"? maybe they taped Indys' O signals. Who knows? The point is to dismiss this as being "no big deal" or not having any impact on their success is ridiculous.

Finally, I have had to listen to the "everyone is doing it but the Pats just got caught" excuse. OK, then why did everyone come down so hard on Jason Giambi or Barry Bonds for doing steroids when we know so many others are doing it to. And if the answer is that doing steroids has a greater impact then tapinging signals then I say thats crap. Are Pats fans saying that cheating is OK...its the DEGREE of cheating that is the issue? And these are the same fans who cired like a bunch of pussies after they got a "bad call" v Denver in the playoffs and claimed it was because the refs were out to get them.

Pats fans have become nothing more then a bunch of spoiled, uppity, excuse making fools. I understand that they have 3 rings in 6 years and that affords them the right to be arrogant...but go back and watch some films from as recently as the early 90s. You saw empty stadiums and low season ticket base. Only after the hired Parcells did they build up the season ticket base and only after the new stadium and won SBs have they been sold out wiht a waiting list. Immena even in the Jets WORST years, all tickets were sld and the wait list has never dipped under 20,000. Jets fans may not show up to the game when thngs are bad, but they buy their tickets and never totally abandon their team like Pats fans did. Prior to 2001 the Pats held the disticntion of being the LONGEST exisiting franchise in ALL sports to not win a title since incpetion. Yet they act like their team has the Cowboys or Steelers or 49ers history. Pats fans are a bunch of arrogant front runners who will disappear like coachroaches in the light once this run of succes is over. You watch. Boston fans did it with the Celtics and will do it with the Pats when this run ends.

YOUR TEAM/HC CHEATED. DEAL WITH IT. END OF STORY!!!!

As to the Pats themselves,

I zero in on Fat Bobby Kraft first who wile being a great owner, seems to think he is on a par with Halas and the Maras when to comes to NFL importance. But this is a man who suppossedly holds honor so near and dear. A man who cried like a baby when Parcells dishonored him. A man who cut a 3rd round pick tw days after the draft after his wife told him to because the player had sexual assualt allegations against him. A man who has a zero tolerance policy in his stadium for fan behavior and took away season tickets from a fan because the fans FRIEND peed in a sink in a bathroom. So I would assume a man with such honor and a zero tolerance policy for the fans who buy his tickets would have the same type policy for his employees. Yet his initial statement about this seems to defend his coach and blow this of by syaing "everyone is just jealous of us". Shame on you for your hypopcrisy Bob Kraft. Your coach cheated. If you knew about it you are a compliant hypocrite. If you didnt and now you defend it, you are a blatant hypocrtie.

And the team...these examples of all that is good and pure in the NFL. Please. Between Brady's illegitimate kid and public abandonment of its mother, Belli's adulterous affair with a married woman, Harrison's HGH, they are not the shining beacons of all that is pure and good that they claim to be...this latest incident just compounds the destruction of that myth.

Look, I am sure every Pats fan that reads this will claim its just sour grapes from a Jets fan who wishes his team could win 3 titles...and maybe there is some truth to that. But it doesnt change the fact that Pats fans have become this arrogant, pompous group of apologists for anyhting their team does. Their team, whihc has had little to no real success prior to 2001, cheated and got caught and like it or not it raises questions as to how much of an illegal advatage they have had since BB took over. If they were smart, they would condemn what BB did rather then try to defend or minimize it. But they're not smart...instead they try to explain it away or flash their 3 rings as some sort of blanket exoneration for anyhting they do.

Grow up Pats fans. This is a sh*tty thing your arrogant coach has done apparantly for quite a while. Perhaps if you all had the balls to simply admit that rather then smugly dismissing it, other fans would have more repsect for you.

el borracho · 09-13-2007, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

right, because Randy needed to know the defensive play in order to get through a triple team, 50 yards down field. This whole thing, maybe, helped them on two or three plays and would be a bigger issue if the game was even remotely close. New England blew the Jets out of the water that game, and chances are didn't need to steal signals.

unfortunatly they did steal signals and got bagged. this will blow over and we'll move on.

This isn't just about the Jets' game- the league spoke with the Patriots last year on a related theme. They didn't just do it this one time- they have been doing it at least since last year and probably longer. Cheating is a big, big deal and merits a big, big punishment.

As a fan, I am offended that 3 time SuperBowl winners have been cheating. That is not acceptable and a strong message needs to be sent to indicate that it is not acceptable.

el borracho · 09-13-2007, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BucEyedPea

Not to mention Mangini can't build his own team's talent without riding the Patriot's coatails...'er Pat's ex-staff coaches and players. This may be legal but it speaks about Mangini's ability as a head coach to coach up his own talent and has no doubt done his fair share of acting out his and BB's childish feud.

What the heck does that have to do with the Patriots cheating? How is that related?

BucEyedPea · 09-13-2007, 08:51 AM

It doesn't. I wasn't claiming it did.

BucEyedPea · 09-13-2007, 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix

According to NY newspapers, the tape was taken at the end of hte first half (before halftime).

So no cameraman, and no tape, at halftime, and we kicked your ass the second half.

I thought it was taken in the first quarter. Oh well, it still couldn't be used.
Yes. Bp's avy is pretty funny.

cadmonkey · 09-13-2007, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill Parcells

The game was relatively close until halftime.The dude was caught at halftime, or late in the 2nd quarter.

When mumbles staff was able to digest the info transmitted to them during the 1st half. after that it was some great 2nd half adjustments! it seemed like they knew exactly what was coming

Yes, the Jets got there asses kicked. but to act like you are above the league or the NFL is pathetic.

Everybody tries to steal signals, thats why coaches cover there mouths when calling plays. but video taping and stealing radio signals and transmitting them to your players?

In no way am I trying to say the Patriots are above the NFL, I am just saying that the games they were caught were routes. Complete and total blow outs.

And yes, it was close until half time but that still didn't stop the Jets from scoring. They sh*t bed offensively and had nothing to do with our stealing their defensive signs.

orange · 09-13-2007, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

In no way am I trying to say the Patriots are above the NFL, I am just saying that the games they were caught were routes. Complete and total blow outs...

Which raises the question - Why did the Patriots cheat in games against overmatched opponents?

The obvious answer - Because they cheat in EVERY game, whoever the opponent.

el borracho · 09-13-2007, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by cadmonkey

In no way am I trying to say the Patriots are above the NFL, I am just saying that the games they were caught were routes. Complete and total blow outs.

And yes, it was close until half time but that still didn't stop the Jets from scoring. They sh*t bed offensively and had nothing to do with our stealing their defensive signs.

Oh, come on. Do you really think the Patriots only did this twice? You believe that, over multiple seasons, the two times the Patriots decided to cheat they were caught? No. They have been cheating since at least last season and probably longer. I know you are a Patriots' fan but even you as an NFL fan and a fan of competitive sports should be upset by this. Aren't you even a little angry and/ or disappointed?

cadmonkey · 09-13-2007, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

Aren't you even a little angry and/ or disappointed?

Absolutely. I'm extrememly dissapointed........I'm also disappointed that WE are the one who GOT CAUGHT. I'm pissed that my team is being used as the whipping post.

I'm not saying that what they did was right, it most certainly isn't. BUT, I'm not going to say that we are the only ones doing anything shady on a weekly basis. We are just the first to get pinched.

Hey it happened, and what ever penalty the league dishes out I won't be able to argue with seeing how they were already warned, but don't be surprised when all the Patriots fans start to say "I told you so" when other teams start getting in trouble.

The only reason that Mangini said anything was because he knew it was going on from when he was on the Patriots. Which makes him a piece of shit hypocrite, seeing how he was fine with what was going on when it was helping him but once its on the other side he goes to mommy and daddy and tattles.

Bottom line I am not happy about this, but I can't imagine how much actual help this provided come game time.

BigChiefFan · 09-13-2007, 10:35 AM

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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $3240478	Belichick Must Pay http://chiefs.scout.com/2/679048.html When I heard about the outrageous cheating committed by the Patriots this past Sunday, my initial reaction was to call for the league to hit New England where it hurts most: the NFL draft Draft picks are the lifeblood of any successful NFL franchise. You can’t build a competitive team through free agency (as the Washington Redskins continue to prove). The Patriots, Indianapolis Colts and Philadelphia Eagles draft well each year and continue to win. Robbing the Patriots of their entire allotment of picks in next April’s draft would have sent a harsh message – cheating will not be tolerated. But it’s too harsh. It hurts the entire team – the coaches, players and front office personnel – and the entire team wasn’t responsible for what happened on New York’s sideline on Sunday. One man was. Bill Belichick. Belichick should be the one to pay the ultimate price for this transgression. He’s clearly the ringleader. It’s absurd to speculate that any assistant coach conspired with his co-workers to pull this off. New England’s head coach obviously signed off on the deal to steal New York’s signals, and as the man in charge, he should be the one to pay. The NFL should suspend Belichick for the remainder of the 2007 season, without pay. He should be barred from participating with the team in any football-related matter, and all communication concerning coaching matters should be cut off. This heavily penalizes Belichick while taking an appropriate toll on his team. Who knows what advantages they gained against the Jets with Randy Moss running through New York’s pilfered coverages. Without their head coach, the Patriots will be robbed of their leader and key strategist for a suitable time. It’s unfair to take away draft picks. It robs New England’s players of the tools to get the job done on the field next year, and in future years. You might say taking away only a couple of picks would be punishment enough, but it’s not, especially for a team that’s as well-built in the present and drafts as well as the Patriots do. This isn’t just about the Patriots, either. There are probably similar cases of undiscovered cheating going on around the league every weekend. We’d be naive fools to think otherwise. Cutting off New England’s head (Belichick) will make everyone stand up and take notice. It was important for NFL commissioner Roger Goodell to do the right thing with Michael Vick, regardless of his status as a big-name quarterback. He sent a clear message to every NFL player when he suspended Vick indefinitely – behavior that reflects badly on the league will not be tolerated. If Goodell doesn’t take the same stance with Belichick, he risks alienating hundreds of players league wide. Let Belichick off scott free, and it looks like players are accountable, but coaches aren’t. Here’s the really disgusting part of this – Belichick isn’t apologetic in the least. In an official statement released on New England’s website, he referred to the blatant stealing of New York’s defensive signals as “a videotaping procedure” and “my interpretation of the rules.” That’s like Pacman Jones describing his illicit nightclub-related activities as “relaxation procedures” and “my interpretation of what I can get away with.” For Goodell’s sake, I hope the penalty that comes down from the league offices doesn’t scream “double standard.” It’d be a shame, especially after the league took appropriate action with former Vikings head coach Mike Tice during his ticket-scalping scandal. Just because Belichick has won a few Super Bowls is no reason to treat him differently. In fact, Belichick’s success only gives the league more reason to step in. Patriots owner Robert Kraft isn’t going to do anything, so someone who doesn’t have an emotional and financial investment in Belichick must. I think it’s time for a “punishment procedure.”
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