Why do we suck in 2007? Blame our drafts and King Carl. Evidence can't be denied. - Page 3

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 10:15 AM

I agree with most everyone here that from the 2003 LJ/Jared Allen drafts we have been doing a good job with our drafts. But we are still suffing in 2007 because of these draft years between Tony G and LJ.

2002 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 6 Ryan Sims DT
2 43 Eddie Freeman DT
4 107 Omar Easy RB
5 143 Scott Fujita OLB
7 221 Maurice Rodriguez

2001 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
3 75 Eric Downing DT
3 77 Snoop Minnis WR
4 107 Monty Beisel DE
4 108 George LayneRB
5 141 Billy Baber TE
5 150 Derrick Blaylock RB
6 176 Alex Sulfsted T
7 212 Shaunard Harts DB
7 243 Terdell Sands DT

2000 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 21 Sylvester Morris WR
2 54 William Bartee CB
3 85 Greg Wesley SS
4 115 Frank Moreau RB
5 153 Dante Hall RB
5 162 Pat Dennis CB
6 188 Darnell Alford T
7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR

1999 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 14 John Tait T
2 54 Mike Cloud RB
3 75 Gary Stills LB
3 84 Larry Atkins DB
4 108 Larry Parker WR
7 220 Eric King --

1998 - Kansas City Chiefs
Rd Sel # Player Position
1 27 Victor Riley T
3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB
4 120 Greg Favors ILB
5 128 Robert Williams DB
6 181 Derrick Ransom DT
7 216 Eric Warfield DB
7 224 Ernest Blackwell

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Beats me... About four productive players ( Hall, Tait, Wesley, and Stills) and probably only one who should be starting (Tait). That's not a good record out of 35 picks. That's around 11%.

And less than 3% of these players drafted by the Chiefs still play for the chiefs.

And 77% of them are out of football entirely!

I didn't really realize it was so bad until I started searching for each of these players in NFL rosters.

Mark

Wonder what the ratio is for other teams? Can't imagine its this bad.

keg in kc · 10-08-2007, 02:59 PM

Been saying this for years now. The Chiefs have drafted poorly since 1994, bad drafting in general with the occasional homerun pick every few years, and that's the main reason the franchise has been stuck in neutral for nearly a decade. No depth, no talent, and too many holes for free agency to fill. We've come a long way in two offseasons, roster wise, although I thought we'd be better than we apparently are this year. The offense has further to go it seems. Hopefully another solid offseason will do the trick.

Archie Bunker · 10-08-2007, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

How do the King Carl defenders justify this record?

Who defends Carl?

**HemiEd** · 10-08-2007, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

Wilson has been the one of the most consistent playmakers on the offense

Yep, he only does what the coaches let him do. He has only dropped three catchable balls since he has been a Chief. I think the guy has a lot of talent, if they would only use it more.

**HemiEd** · 10-08-2007, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefGator

Total Players Drafted: 35

Players remaining on our roster from these drafts: 1
. Greg Wesley SS

Players on other teams rosters: 7

. Ryan Sims (played in no games this year)
. Scott Fujita (starts for New Orleans, third team)
. Monty Beisel (backup in Arizona)
. Terdell Sands (starts in Oakland - 3 tackles)
. Dante Hall (St. Louis)
. John Tait (starts in Chicago)
. Gary Stills ( backup in Baltimore )

Now THAT, is PRICELESS!

Of the player we drafted, I would takeStills back for special teams only, and of course, Tait. And Wesley is a good backup safety.

Terrible drafting.

What is this supposed to represent, what time frame?

Sfeihc · 10-08-2007, 03:21 PM

You can bitch and moan about CP every day from dawn until dusk but you still cut the check for season tickets. He laughs and counts the cash while you get to watch the mess.

Messier · 10-08-2007, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

I'm not going to even bother with Free Agents. JEEZZZ if King Carl has one good FA pick up I don't remember and in 17 years of picking up FA's seems I should remember one?

Well even if you disagree I'm going to list free agents that the Chiefs acquired directly from college, or within a year after they entered the NFL, that were starters and made major contributions to the team.

Eric Hicks
Tracy Simien
Lonnie Marts
Kimble Anders
Tony Richardson
Willie Davis
Vaughn Booker
Brian Waters

GoHuge · 10-08-2007, 03:34 PM

Wow, thats like having no draft for a five year period. Explains how we got to where we are. This puts into perspective how good Herm may be at talent evaluation. Like it or not he's brought in some talent.

**ChiefGator** · 10-08-2007, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by HemiEd

What is this supposed to represent, what time frame?

The years in the thread starter... 1998-2002 inclusive.

**BigRedChief** · 10-08-2007, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Messier

Well even if you disagree I'm going to list free agents that the Chiefs acquired directly from college, or within a year after they entered the NFL, that were starters and made major contributions to the team.

Eric Hicks
Tracy Simien
Lonnie Marts
Kimble Anders
Tony Richardson
Willie Davis
Vaughn Booker
Brian Waters

There you go. 17 years of free agency pick ups and thats the best King Carl can do? 1 contributer every 2 years.

**Buehler445** · 10-08-2007, 10:23 PM

Great post Big Red Chief. I didn't realize it was THAT bad. Jebus.

a1na2 · 10-08-2007, 11:02 PM

Additions to the roster.

Joe Montana
Marcus Allen

I forgot, this is a "what have you done for me lately" thread. Jeesh. Get a grip guys, the Chiefs are bad because the HC doesn't know how to handle offense in the slightest. Granted he doesn't have top of the line personnel, but these guys outclass anything sitting at home watching TV at the moment.

A great HC can take a sows ear and make a silk purse out of it. This guy can take the leagues best offense and scrap it in a single year. Like I said, if you can't get professionals to do their job you aren't doing your job.

10 fuggin yards on offense? Time to clear the bench and take all of the offensive line out for the second and third stringers. Somewhere even a dog finds a bone and these OL seem to be checking their shoe laces when the ball is snapped. It shouldn't be ability alone that you are nailing for failure there. Leadership, or lack of it from the HC position is the main reason we suck at the moment, not to mention that he can't lay out a game plan utilizing the offense because he doesn't know any more about offense than most of the posters here.

a1na2 · 10-08-2007, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Wonder what the ratio is for other teams? Can't imagine its this bad.

What is the combined draft record of all of the other GM's in the league?

You guys seem to forget that there are more busts in the drafts than superstars. It's always been that way and always will.

CoMoChief · 10-09-2007, 12:51 AM

Why doesn't anyone ever interview Clark Hunt and ask him why he chooses to keep Carl Peterson around after all this time?

I don't think I've ever heard anyone in the media with enough balls to ask him that.

RedThat · 10-09-2007, 02:02 AM

Now that drafting, is no drafting at all....I don't have a word to describe it? That's how awful it is.

We dont' have 1 player from those drafts on our roster right now.

Major setback for an organization, major setback. And what kills me is, they still keep CP. Only in KC.

I guess Herm Edwards and Bill Kuharich came in as shot in the arm to give this organization a better improvement at selecting talent in the draft.

10-08-2007, 10:15 AM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-801038 VARSITY	Why do we suck in 2007? Blame our drafts and King Carl. Evidence can't be denied. I agree with most everyone here that from the 2003 LJ/Jared Allen drafts we have been doing a good job with our drafts. But we are still suffing in 2007 because of these draft years between Tony G and LJ. 2002 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 6 Ryan Sims DT 2 43 Eddie Freeman DT 4 107 Omar Easy RB 5 143 Scott Fujita OLB 7 221 Maurice Rodriguez 2001 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 3 75 Eric Downing DT 3 77 Snoop Minnis WR 4 107 Monty Beisel DE 4 108 George LayneRB 5 141 Billy Baber TE 5 150 Derrick Blaylock RB 6 176 Alex Sulfsted T 7 212 Shaunard Harts DB 7 243 Terdell Sands DT 2000 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 21 Sylvester Morris WR 2 54 William Bartee CB 3 85 Greg Wesley SS 4 115 Frank Moreau RB 5 153 Dante Hall RB 5 162 Pat Dennis CB 6 188 Darnell Alford T 7 208 Desmond Kitchings WR 1999 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 14 John Tait T 2 54 Mike Cloud RB 3 75 Gary Stills LB 3 84 Larry Atkins DB 4 108 Larry Parker WR 7 220 Eric King -- 1998 - Kansas City Chiefs Rd Sel # Player Position 1 27 Victor Riley T 3 88 Rashaan Shehee RB 4 120 Greg Favors ILB 5 128 Robert Williams DB 6 181 Derrick Ransom DT 7 216 Eric Warfield DB 7 224 Ernest Blackwell
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10-08-2007, 02:59 PM	#32
keg in kc oxymoron Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: OP/KC/Whatever Casino cash: $9556299	Been saying this for years now. The Chiefs have drafted poorly since 1994, bad drafting in general with the occasional homerun pick every few years, and that's the main reason the franchise has been stuck in neutral for nearly a decade. No depth, no talent, and too many holes for free agency to fill. We've come a long way in two offseasons, roster wise, although I thought we'd be better than we apparently are this year. The offense has further to go it seems. Hopefully another solid offseason will do the trick.
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Sfeihc It's All Good Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $10010133	You can bitch and moan about CP every day from dawn until dusk but you still cut the check for season tickets. He laughs and counts the cash while you get to watch the mess.
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GoHuge The Truth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10006072	Wow, thats like having no draft for a five year period. Explains how we got to where we are. This puts into perspective how good Herm may be at talent evaluation. Like it or not he's brought in some talent.
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Buehler445 Supporter Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Scott City KS Casino cash: $-1605266	Great post Big Red Chief. I didn't realize it was THAT bad. Jebus.
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10-08-2007, 11:02 PM	#42
a1na2 Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pittsburg Casino cash: $10004900	Additions to the roster. Joe Montana Marcus Allen I forgot, this is a "what have you done for me lately" thread. Jeesh. Get a grip guys, the Chiefs are bad because the HC doesn't know how to handle offense in the slightest. Granted he doesn't have top of the line personnel, but these guys outclass anything sitting at home watching TV at the moment. A great HC can take a sows ear and make a silk purse out of it. This guy can take the leagues best offense and scrap it in a single year. Like I said, if you can't get professionals to do their job you aren't doing your job. 10 fuggin yards on offense? Time to clear the bench and take all of the offensive line out for the second and third stringers. Somewhere even a dog finds a bone and these OL seem to be checking their shoe laces when the ball is snapped. It shouldn't be ability alone that you are nailing for failure there. Leadership, or lack of it from the HC position is the main reason we suck at the moment, not to mention that he can't lay out a game plan utilizing the offense because he doesn't know any more about offense than most of the posters here.
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10-09-2007, 12:51 AM	#44
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	Why doesn't anyone ever interview Clark Hunt and ask him why he chooses to keep Carl Peterson around after all this time? I don't think I've ever heard anyone in the media with enough balls to ask him that. __________________
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10-09-2007, 02:02 AM	#45
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	Now that drafting, is no drafting at all....I don't have a word to describe it? That's how awful it is. We dont' have 1 player from those drafts on our roster right now. Major setback for an organization, major setback. And what kills me is, they still keep CP. Only in KC. I guess Herm Edwards and Bill Kuharich came in as shot in the arm to give this organization a better improvement at selecting talent in the draft.
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