I've been saying it, Tom Brady just said, the Chiefs need to start doing it. - Page 3

CoMoChief · 11-18-2007, 11:47 PM

I just said earlier in a previous post that the object of the game on offense is to score touchdowns EVERY TIME YOU HAVE THE BALL.

Tom Brady just said in a post game interview that Belichick tells his players to try and do that and that's pretty much why they are scoring 40 points a game.

There isn't anything wrong with scoring a lot of points. Herm for whatever reason thinks otherwise and which is why he's the biggest dumbass in professional football as far as game management goes. People say that you put your defense on the field too much and they get tired and teams will score on you making it a shootout.

Bullshit.

You can lead the league in offense and still control the ball. We did that all the time in the DV/AS era. You can also play defense and stop people from scoring. Defense is a totally different part of the game which means scoring points doesn't mean shit about how your team plays defense. The Pats play both great defense and great offense. Chiefs coaches need to at least try to score as much as humanly possible, as opposed to drawing up plays that STRICTLY prohibit anyone on offense from advancing past the first down marker.

Herm says the magic number was 21, then he changed it to 24.

**** that. Let's air it out and run off of our passing game (since the other way around is NOT working worth a shit) and let's score 34 points a game.

**RealSNR** · 11-19-2007, 10:28 AM

So we finish this season and we get 3 more years of strong D weak O mediocrity before we finally fire Herm and hire Mike Martz to go back to strong O weak D? BRILLIANT!

I love being a Chiefs fan.

Mr. Laz · 11-19-2007, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

We don't have any less talent on offense than the Skins. One might argue that we have more talent. And they're ranked 18th in scoring, right around 20 points per game.

I use the Skins because of the same "scheme" (God, I hate that word). If we still approached the game with the same offensive mindset, used the same variety of plays, as the Skins, I bet we could average 20 points per game.

our offensive line is just as talented as the Colts...

RedThat · 11-19-2007, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Anyone who thinks Herm doesn't want to score pts is a ****ing moron. Plain and simple. His job is to win and you need to score to do that.

He just doesn't think it's REALISTIC to expect us to score around 30 pts a game. And he's right, we can't.

I can assure you thing, he doesn't play to win the game like he makes it seem he does.

In the media he's portrayed as this tough SOB with balls, but in an actual game under certain situations and circumstances tell us otherwise. And that is what I hate about Herm. Why he needs to go as coach. Why he'll never win a SB, even though he proclaims to be a SB coach. He's only fooling himself by thinking that way.

He puts his team into a shell with conservative strategy, and cracks under pressure. He mismanages the game, and makes costly decisions in games. Herm has lost us 3 games this year. Count em 3!

I'll bet if Herm had a gunslingers mentality we would be scoring 30 points a game. After watching the game yesterday I sat down in disgust because of how conservative he is? We coulda won that game, and should of. We gave Indy the frikk'n game. Why didn't he try to score late in the 1st half? What's he afraid of? a turnover? Please. That's why I hate Herm. He coaches with no balls. And gets his team to play the exact same way.

How many times do you have to punt and give Indy a chances? I was pissed off because a couple of times we had the ball 4 and 1, 4 and 2 inside there zone and either elected to kick FG or punt it? And his kicker sucks balls.

Why not go for it? Is he so stupid to enough to not realize that Indy is the team you never want to give all the chances in the world to? Does he not know his kicker sucks?

It pisses me off. When you see team like the Patriots go for it, and TRY TRY to move the chains on 4th down to score points yet we do the opposite?

Herm=afraid

Herm=pussy

*This is why we suck. Because we have a coach who is timid.

**Skip Towne** · 11-19-2007, 12:03 PM

As inept as Herm is about offense, he needs an O wizard for OC. Not a n00b.

Oh Snap · 11-19-2007, 12:10 PM

the more you score, the more pressure you put on the other team, and the more they become one dimensional.

Herm is a good coach, he just needs to change his offensive philosophy. Its 2 decades to late for that type of game plan.

Todays NFL is all about scoring 30pts a game. We dont even score half that on average. somthings gotta give...

We have a star in the making in the WR core with bowe, a helluva future at qb with croyle, we just need to get the offensive line up to date and we could have a dominate team. The OL scheme doesnt work though. It needs to be changed.

RedThat · 11-19-2007, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

the more you score, the more pressure you put on the other team, and the more they become one dimensional.

Herm is a good coach, he just needs to change his offensive philosophy. Its 2 decades to late for that type of game plan.

Todays NFL is all about scoring 30pts a game. We dont even score half that on average. somthings gotta give...

We have a star in the making in the WR core with bowe, a helluva future at qb with croyle, we just need to get the offensive line up to date and we could have a dominate team. The OL scheme doesnt work though. It needs to be changed.

Herm is not a good coach. And he won't change his philosophy, he's been this way for the last 8 years? You think he will change? nope. That is why he is not good.

Oh Snap · 11-19-2007, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

Herm is not a good coach. And he won't change his philosophy, he's been this way for the last 8 years? You think he will change? nope. That is why he is not good.

I beg to differ, look at how well he has our defense playing?

Herms problem, is an offensive problem. If he could just keep his hands off of it long enough, we could have quite the team.

Hes made some dumbass decisions, dont get me wrong. Yesterday i probably called him about every name in the book for not going and atleast trying to score some points just before the closeing of the first half.

And he is no bill bellichek. but he isnt as bad as some give him credit for being. Im all for giving the man another year.

A new OC is a must though. Solari just isnt cutting it. Herm is all about letting his coaching staff do their job. If we could just get someone like maybe Norve Turner or Mike Martz for OC, we could have a legit, potent offense.

RedThat · 11-19-2007, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Oh Snap

I beg to differ, look at how well he has our defense playing?

Herms problem, is an offensive problem. If he could just keep his hands off of it long enough, we could have quite the team.

Hes made some dumbass decisions, dont get me wrong. Yesterday i probably called him about every name in the book for not going and atleast trying to score some points just before the closeing of the first half.

And he is no bill bellichek. but he isnt as bad as some give him credit for being. Im all for giving the man another year.

A new OC is a must though. Solari just isnt cutting it. Herm is all about letting his coaching staff do their job. If we could just get someone like maybe Norve Turner or Mike Martz for OC, we could have a legit, potent offense.

I even think if we got those guys it wouldn't matter. He did the same thing in NY. You know how many times he switched offensive co-ordinators in NY? Several. And it didn't make a difference. The offense still stunk.

So what does that tell you? Trust me don't let yourself by fooled into thinking that if we changed OC it would make a difference. Herm does have an influence and say in terms of personnel and scheme. This is just the way he coaches and it's his approach to the game. That how he believes he could win by playing a strong defensive game, and just barely managing to grind it out by running the ball and playing ball control on offense. good enough to sqeak out a win. Play it safe, dont turn the ball over etc. Let your defense give you that chance to win. Believe me nothing is gonna change on offense. This is Herm. This is who he is. He still lives in the 90's. That his mentality as a coach. The only way our offense changes is if he is gone.

*And I wanna get back to what you said earlier, you said you called him about every name in the book for not going and at least trying to score some points just before closing the first half. And this is what bothers me about this team. They don't compete well enough. That pissed me off yesterday, not trying to at least give your team a chance to win. And he plays to win the game? At least show it.

**Rausch** · 11-19-2007, 12:48 PM

Way I look at it is a good defense, in the top 3rd in pts allowed, is even MORE reason to open it up and be less conservative.

If you know your D is good enough to hold the Colts to a ****ing FG after an entire half of football why not throw a little more and take some shots down the field?...

FAX · 11-19-2007, 12:51 PM

Damn. That's a pretty darn depressing post right there, Mr. RedBull. Not saying it's incorrect. Just depressing.

Still, the question remains ... why draft Brodie Croyle - the anti-Huard - if you never want to stretch the field? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

FAX

BIG_DADDY · 11-19-2007, 12:52 PM

As soon as Herm got here and the forst words out of his mouth were all about how he was going to fix the O I knew he would be a complete failure.

RedThat · 11-19-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Way I look at it is a good defense, in the top 3rd in pts allowed, is even MORE reason to open it up and be less conservative.

If you know your D is good enough to hold the Colts to a ****ing FG after an entire half of football why not throw a little more and take some shots down the field?...

Exactly. Does Herm not know that if you give the Colts and the best Quarterback in the game more chances by getting the ball on offense sooner or later they're going to burn you?

Does he not know that if your defense is on the field a major of the time they get tired, and a re going to give up the big play soon?

Herm=not smart

KCJohnny · 11-19-2007, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBull

I even think if we got those guys it wouldn't matter. He did the same thing in NY. You know how many times he switched offensive co-ordinators in NY? Several. And it didn't make a difference. The offense still stunk.

So what does that tell you? Trust me don't let yourself by fooled into thinking that if we changed OC it would make a difference. Herm does have an influence and say in terms of personnel and scheme. This is just the way he coaches and it's his approach to the game. That how he believes he could win by playing a strong defensive game, and just barely managing to grind it out by running the ball and playing ball control on offense. good enough to sqeak out a win. Play it safe, dont turn the ball over etc. Let your defense give you that chance to win. Believe me nothing is gonna change on offense. This is Herm. This is who he is. He still lives in the 90's. That his mentality as a coach. The only way our offense changes is if he is gone.

*And I wanna get back to what you said earlier, you said you called him about every name in the book for not going and at least trying to score some points just before closing the first half. And this is what bothers me about this team. They don't compete well enough. That pissed me off yesterday, not trying to at least give your team a chance to win. And he plays to win the game? At least show it.

His pal Tony Dungy saw the light. That's way the TB teams of the 90s played. I remember TB lost to the Rams 11-6 in the playoffs. 1 TD and the Bucs advance. Their D ground the GSoT down to 11 points!

Dungy gets to Indy and discovers all these weapons and liked it. Maybe that's Herm's challenge: he's never had a really potent offense (unless you count the one that took the fiel vs Cincy in September 2006)...

Reerun_KC · 11-19-2007, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SPchief

And we went to the playoffs how many times during those years?

Oh and Herm is just dominating the playoffs as well....

Herm isnt even a true threat as a playoff coach... a sub .500 coach deserves no respect...

RedThat · 11-19-2007, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

Damn. That's a pretty darn depressing post right there, Mr. RedBull. Not saying it's incorrect. Just depressing.

Still, the question remains ... why draft Brodie Croyle - the anti-Huard - if you never want to stretch the field? That doesn't make a lot of sense.

FAX

Sorry. Just stating the facts and the truth. This is reality.

I feel sorry for the kid. He's got a stooge of a coaching staff beside him. How can he grow?

11-18-2007, 11:47 PM
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7672254	I've been saying it, Tom Brady just said, the Chiefs need to start doing it. I just said earlier in a previous post that the object of the game on offense is to score touchdowns EVERY TIME YOU HAVE THE BALL. Tom Brady just said in a post game interview that Belichick tells his players to try and do that and that's pretty much why they are scoring 40 points a game. There isn't anything wrong with scoring a lot of points. Herm for whatever reason thinks otherwise and which is why he's the biggest dumbass in professional football as far as game management goes. People say that you put your defense on the field too much and they get tired and teams will score on you making it a shootout. Bullshit. You can lead the league in offense and still control the ball. We did that all the time in the DV/AS era. You can also play defense and stop people from scoring. Defense is a totally different part of the game which means scoring points doesn't mean shit about how your team plays defense. The Pats play both great defense and great offense. Chiefs coaches need to at least try to score as much as humanly possible, as opposed to drawing up plays that STRICTLY prohibit anyone on offense from advancing past the first down marker. Herm says the magic number was 21, then he changed it to 24. **** that. Let's air it out and run off of our passing game (since the other way around is NOT working worth a shit) and let's score 34 points a game.
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Oh Snap Veteran Join Date: Nov 2005 Casino cash: $8934925	the more you score, the more pressure you put on the other team, and the more they become one dimensional. Herm is a good coach, he just needs to change his offensive philosophy. Its 2 decades to late for that type of game plan. Todays NFL is all about scoring 30pts a game. We dont even score half that on average. somthings gotta give... We have a star in the making in the WR core with bowe, a helluva future at qb with croyle, we just need to get the offensive line up to date and we could have a dominate team. The OL scheme doesnt work though. It needs to be changed.
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FAX testing ... 1, 2, 3 Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Tennessee Casino cash: $6753759	Damn. That's a pretty darn depressing post right there, Mr. RedBull. Not saying it's incorrect. Just depressing. Still, the question remains ... why draft Brodie Croyle - the anti-Huard - if you never want to stretch the field? That doesn't make a lot of sense. FAX
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