GRETZ: This Is Rock Bottom - Page 3

C-Mac · 12-10-2007, 10:26 AM

GRETZ: This Is Rock Bottom
Dec 10, 2007, 8:22:51 AM by Bob Gretz - FAQ

DENVER – There’s one part of the game of football that has never changed not even once since they organized teams of 11-men a side and chased after the funny shaped pigskin.

To win a football game a team must control what happens on the line of scrimmage. Offensively, defensively, either way, the team that can impose its will on their opponent in the blocking zone wins the game.

The Chiefs did not win on Sunday at Invesco Field. They were not even really part of the equation in this game. They were drubbed 41-7 in one of the most embarrassing outings by this franchise in some time. I’m talking back to the disasterous 1980s.

The reason they got their rear ends kicked so thoroughly and completely was their inability to win on the line of scrimmage. We’ve seen that all year from the offensive line and they went out and matched their performance once again, giving up five sacks, gaining a mere 129 yards in total offense and only 16 yards rushing on 17 carries.

What we had not seen a lot of this season has been the defensive line being dominated. But the Broncos came out and completely controlled the Chiefs front four. On the second offensive play of the game, Denver cracked the right side of the Chiefs D-Line for a 50-yard run. In the previous five games the Chiefs had allowed an average of 42 yards rushing in the first half. They gave up more than that in one play.

The Broncos ended up with 215 yards on 34 carries. Jay Cutler threw 27 times for the Broncos and was not sacked. In fact, if he had not fallen down at one point, tripping over his own feet, I’m not sure his pants would have had any grass or dirt stains on them. And by the way, after he fell down he got up and ran for 21 yards.

The saddest part of watching the Chiefs get dominated on the line of scrimmage was that it was being done by one of the worst Broncos teams that Mike Shanahan has fielded in his time in Denver.

Elvis Dumervil is a second-year stud pass rusher for the Broncos and he contributed three sacks. The rest of the domination was coming from guys like John Engelberger, rookies MarcusThomas, Tim Crowder and Steve Harris, Alvin McKinley and some guy named Josh Mallard. Denver is Mallard’s fifth team in the last six years and he was signed by the Broncos on November 6th, after he was cut by the woeful Atlanta Falcons.

The Chiefs began this game like a disinterested group that wanted to be elsewhere on a cold, sunny day. There are those that will say they quit, gave up, weren’t prepared, have thrown the season in the trash. After a performance like that one, it’s not hard to understand why someone would think so.

However, let me tell you that is not true. The Chiefs played hard. They just didn’t play effectively. And how anyone could question the desire of Tony Gonzalez, for instance, I’m not sure. He went out on the first offensive play of the third quarter with an ankle injury. A lot of players would have taken that injury to the nice, warm locker room and called it a day. Gonzalez went to the locker room, got re-taped, and came back on the field and played in the fourth quarter. He played his heart out.

Take it from someone who spends seven days a week with this team. They were prepared, the coaching staff worked hard to get this team ready for everything that Denver does.

But it’s apparent this team has lost its confidence in themselves and each other. When they fell behind 14-0 halfway through the first quarter, the game was over. There weren’t many guys wearing the red and gold that thought they had a chance to come back.

Turned out they were right.

Losing by 34 points can happen, especially on the road. But losing by 34 to a team like Denver (now just 6-7 on the season) and doing it the way the Chiefs did has brought them to rock bottom.

From here, there’s nowhere else to go but up.

Extra Point · 12-10-2007, 11:39 AM

This isn't rock bottom.

This is rock bottom squared.

StcChief · 12-10-2007, 11:42 AM

embarassed at home vs Titans,

thoughly drubbed by Lions.

shut out against bad Jets team. Herm getting booed off the field at 4-12 will know we are the worst.

and the Lambs catch us last game to be 4-12 too.

Kerberos · 12-10-2007, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

Tell us all about the supposed yelling incident at Arrowhead, Gretz

So what is the scoop on this? You got some insdier info? Or do we have to pay $99.95 to get this kind of "Premium" insider info?

FringeNC · 12-10-2007, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by StcChief

embarassed at home vs Titans,

thoughly drubbed by Lions.

shut out against bad Jets team. Herm getting booed off the field at 4-12 will know we are the worst.

and the Lambs catch us last game to be 4-12 too.

Question is, will Herm be booed more next week, or when he travels back to NY?

Eleazar · 12-10-2007, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kerberos

So what is the scoop on this? You got some insdier info? Or do we have to pay $99.95 to get this kind of "Premium" insider info?

Most people don't know that Darwin ripped off WPI. He got all his info from C.E. Waddler and his voyage on the Bassett.

Chief Chief · 12-10-2007, 12:05 PM

At least this year we got to save lots of money that otherwise would have been spent on tickets, gas, etc., to see another Chiefs play-off loss.

**The Bad Guy** · 12-10-2007, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefPote

A 4-12 season will get them a fairly high draft pick. However, it won't matter because they will piss it away on someone worthless. AND if they do get someone worth anything, the coaches will **** them up.

Just when I thought I couldn't see any more stupidity on this board.

If there's one strength has, it's the draft.

Did the coaches **** up Bowe, DJ, LJ, Hali?

Calcountry · 12-10-2007, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Just when I thought I couldn't see any more stupidity on this board.

If there's one strength has, it's the draft.

Did the coaches **** up Bowe, DJ, LJ, Hali?

No, the coaches screwed up this team in last years playoff loss by not being able to call plays good enough to get one fuggin first down in the first half v the Colts.

Then coming out in the 2nd half and not making any adjustments because the D kept us in the game.

Seriously, have we seen anything different this year but without Will Shields and Trent Green?

Same game plan, every time, every game.

That's on the coaches.
Give this crew enough time and the players you mentioned WILL be fugged up beyand all recognition.

Mecca · 12-10-2007, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Just when I thought I couldn't see any more stupidity on this board.

If there's one strength has, it's the draft.

Did the coaches **** up Bowe, DJ, LJ, Hali?

You know everyone says the drafts are better and Herm knows what he's doing.....

So because he took guys who aren't awful in the first round he's better.....because so far he's had 6 first day picks.....3 of them look like ass so far, that's not good.

**Baby Lee** · 12-10-2007, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

It's easier to take the losses when you can see certain areas of the team improving. All I've seen is each area regressing with each game. Significantly.

And when you look at this team next season, who are the "young" players that are supposed to lead us to the promise(d) land? I count Croyle, K. Smith, Bowe, Allen, Hali, D. Johnson, Page, Pollard.

8 players out of 22. I suppose you could count Webb, Tyler, and McBride. Even so, half of the team isn't "young" at all.

This team could be just as awful, if not worse, next season.

I'll hawk this to the end, but when you're watching an awful team get better, it doesn't look like you expect it to. It's more like Lost than an Episode of Law and Order. You're building a whole unit, and it's not like building a house where one day there's a foundation, then there's some framing, then the HVAC gets installed.
But for those familar with Lost, they'd supposedly envisioned the entire series as a jugsaw puzzle, where you get a piece here and a piece there, and it all makes sense at the end.
And it seems like it's the same for a rebuilding team. Things look like a mess from 1000 different directions from week to week. You'll have the D hold up one week and fall apart the next. You'll have a WR shine for a game then disappear for a while, then one day, or more likely one season, it all 'fits.'
Don't expect a straight-line progression in a rebuild it'll drive you nuts.

FAX · 12-10-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Lee

I'll hawk this to the end, but when you're watching an awful team get better, it doesn't look like you expect it to. It's more like Lost than an Episode of Law and Order. You're building a whole unit, and it's not like building a house where one day there's a foundation, then there's some framing, then the HVAC gets installed.
But for those familar with Lost, they'd supposedly envisioned the entire series as a jugsaw puzzle, where you get a piece here and a piece there, and it all makes sense at the end.
And it seems like it's the same for a rebuilding team. Things look like a mess from 1000 different directions from week to week. You'll have the D hold up one week and fall apart the next. You'll have a WR shine for a game then disappear for a while, then one day, or more likely one season, it all 'fits.'
Don't expect a straight-line progression in a rebuild it'll drive you nuts.

I couldn't agree more, Mr. Baby Lee. I just have one question. Given where we are, when would you expect to see order begin to emerge from the chaos you describe?

FAX

**Dave Lane** · 12-10-2007, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

We'll have really hit rock bottom if Clark Hunt gives Carl and Herm a vote of confidence, and extends both their contracts.

No that is the end of the franchise.

Dave

**Baby Lee** · 12-10-2007, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FAX

I couldn't agree more, Mr. Baby Lee. I just have one question. Given where we are, when would you expect to see order begin to emerge from the chaos you describe?

FAX

I have no idea. Hope to know it when I see it. And just sit back with lowered expectations until then.

In order to fully realize that we're gonna suck for a while, you have to fully realize that we're gonna suck for a while.

Is that too Zen?

My best foundation for sanguinity is that with Herm involved in the draft, and higher draft picks, we stand a chance of getting more Carson Palmers and Orlando Paces and Brian Urlachers and less Rick Mirers and Lawrence Phillipses and Kyle Bollers.

Ari ümlaüt · 12-10-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

I firmly believe the Kerry Collins-led Titans would beat us.

Chase Daniel and Mizzou could beat KC at this point.

Ari ümlaüt · 12-10-2007, 04:18 PM

Hell if KU had the Chiefs on the non-conference schedule next year, everyone would still be able to laugh at them for having a KUpcake schedule.

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