Does nobody care that Bill Kuharich was on with Soren Petro today? - Page 3

htismaqe · 02-28-2008, 03:04 PM

I thought it was very interesting some of the things he said.

He said the draft was VERY deep this year, especially at CB and OT, and he thought that unlike some years sure-fire starters could go VERY late. In fact, in reference to CB's, he said if the "run" didn't start until the late 1st round, there might be starting-caliber CB's available in the FOURTH round.

He also said, in so many words, that at DT there was Dorsey and Ellis and then everybody else. He said the gap between Jake Long and the next tier was alot less drastic than the gap between Dorsey and Ellis and the next tier.

smittysbar · 02-28-2008, 04:51 PM

Wish I could have heard that.

Did he happen to say if they would take a look at Laws with the #5 pick?

htismaqe · 02-28-2008, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Wish I could have heard that.

Did he happen to say if they would take a look at Laws with the #5 pick?

He was pretty specific.

Starting OT and CB prospects would be available later, while starting DT's would not.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-28-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Wish I could have heard that.

Did he happen to say if they would take a look at Laws with the #5 pick?

Micjones · 02-28-2008, 04:58 PM

I'll pass on that one. I've got so much Draft information in my head already it just might explode if I start skimming through the Draft forum.

**the Talking Can** · 02-28-2008, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

If your stomach can handle it, head over to the Draft forum.

In case you don't want to deal with that, I'll give you the basic premise.

A) We were told that the Chiefs were targetting Jake Long because guys like Chuck Cook, Bill Kuharich, etc. said so. We were told that the Chiefs brass were the best source of info, and suggestions that they might be throwing up smokescreens were scoffed at.

B) We were then told that Trevor Laws is a Sedrick Ellis clone.

C) Interestingly enough, Bill Kuharich, who was previously established as a reliable source of information says definitively that Sedrick Ellis and Glenn Dorsey are in a class by themselves.

So either A is false, or B is false. By the very nature of C, they cannot both be true.

a virtual donkey punch to findthecoathanger

htismaqe · 02-28-2008, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

a virtual donkey punch to findthecoathanger

I'm sure he'll be over there later trading every last bit of dignity he has for the idea that this bit from Kuharich should be ignored.

"Blah blah blah - Chuck Cook - blah blah blah - Carl Peterson - blah"

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-28-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm sure he'll be over there later trading every last bit of dignity he has for the idea that this bit from Kuharich should be ignored.

"Blah blah blah - Chuck Cook - blah blah blah - Carl Peterson - blah"

Later?

Try an hour ago.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...1&postcount=88

htismaqe · 02-28-2008, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Later?

Try an hour ago.

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...1&postcount=88

OMG

http://images.despair.com/products/d...umiliation.jpg

suds79 · 02-28-2008, 05:08 PM

While I'd like to have Jake Long be there when we draft, if it ends up being Sedrick Ellis, I would still be very happy because the guy is a special talent.

If you watched him during the Senior bowl he clearly showed he was in a class by himself and living here in Lincoln, I clearly remember him shoving our O-linemen on their buts like they were 50 lbs on his way to the QB... I mean it's the type of play you might see in high school if one guy is simply that much bigger than the other.

He's freaky.

CoMoChief · 02-28-2008, 06:10 PM

Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali.

In this case it would be reeruned for the Chiefs to draft Virginia DE Chris Long because you're spending a first round top 5 pick on someone that will rotate in and out of DE, and yes I know DE's rotate all the time in this system, but there is absolutely no reason not to pick Jake Long if he's available at our pick. He's a top 5 player in this whole draft, and he fills a void at our biggest need. If the BPA is an area of need, then you have to draft him, if not trade down. The first day picks are ALL picks that should have at least a great chance of becoming starters on your team. BPA is for the Chiefs 2nd day picks IMO.

I just don't necessarily believe in taking the BPA, especially when your whole team is in a rebuilding mode where there are holes in 11 spots on this starting quad. Possibly 12 if Croyle doesn't pan out. We still need.....

2 CB
1 DT
1 WR
2 OG
2 OT
2 LB
1 K

As far as FA goes, if we want to at least be competitive and show improvement, the Oline has to get better. Jake Scott, Flozell Adams, Ryan Lilja should all be on the Chiefs FA radar. This is the most important aspect of this team if we want to give Croyle a chance to get better. This is the most important and we need players that have already established themselves in the NFL. The 3 Olineman mentioned above are just that. Spending our first rd pick on Jake Long makes the most sense to solidify that position for 13 years to come.

The next we should look at in FA is the WR position. Kennison just got released, who was our 2nd best WR behind DBowe. Now our WR corp consists of Bowe, Webb, Sippio, and Parker. Once again if Croyle wants to improve we need more talent for him to throw to. Outside of Bowe, I don't see any of our WR's cracking the top 3 WR's on most teams in the NFL. This is an area that desperately needs to improve on talent. FA wise the players that should be on KC's radar are Bernard Berrian, Patrick Crayton, and Bryant Johnson. I also wouldn't mind drafting one in the 3rd rd. All of our WR's are shit.

Must sign K Josh Brown, nuff said. He can kick in batshit conditions. We need him plain and simple.

I would love for the first day to go something like this. (assuming we don't trade up or down in the draft)

2008
1. OT Jake Long
2. OG Branden Albert
3. WR Jordy Nelson

Add a few FA's in the mix WR Bryant Johnson K Josh Brown, OG Jake Scott
There will always be a few rookie FA's who will contribute.

2009
1. LB James Laurinaitis
2. WR Jeremy Maclin
3. ????

DT Tommie Harris is available in 2009 as he's a UFA. He's the best DT in the NFL and the Chiefs should STRONGLY look at getting him, the Chiefs should be able to afford it.

The Chiefs won't be even considered competitive I believe until 2009. This starting roster would look nice come 2009.

QB - Croyle
RB - LJ
TE - Gonzo
WR - Bowe
WR - Johnson
WR - Nelson
OT - Long
OT - McIntosh
OG - Albert
OG - Scott
C - Waters

DE - Allen
DE - Hali
DT - Harris
DT - Boone
LB - DJ
LB - Laurinaitis
LB - Edwards
CB - Surtain
CB - Brackenridge
FS - Page
SS - Pollard

K - Brown
P - Colquitt
KR - Maclin

SBK · 02-28-2008, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali.

In this case it would be reeruned for the Chiefs to draft Virginia DE Chris Long because you're spending a first round top 5 pick on someone that will rotate in and out of DE, and yes I know DE's rotate all the time in this system, but there is absolutely no reason not to pick Jake Long if he's available at our pick. He's a top 5 player in this whole draft, and he fills a void at our biggest need. If the BPA is an area of need, then you have to draft him, if not trade down. The first day picks are ALL picks that should have at least a great chance of becoming starters on your team. BPA is for the Chiefs 2nd day picks IMO.

I just don't necessarily believe in taking the BPA, especially when your whole team is in a rebuilding mode where there are holes in 11 spots on this starting quad. Possibly 12 if Croyle doesn't pan out. We still need.....

2 CB
1 DT
1 WR
2 OG
2 OT
2 LB
1 K

As far as FA goes, if we want to at least be competitive and show improvement, the Oline has to get better. Jake Scott, Flozell Adams, Ryan Lilja should all be on the Chiefs FA radar. This is the most important aspect of this team if we want to give Croyle a chance to get better. This is the most important and we need players that have already established themselves in the NFL. The 3 Olineman mentioned above are just that. Spending our first rd pick on Jake Long makes the most sense to solidify that position for 13 years to come.

The next we should look at in FA is the WR position. Kennison just got released, who was our 2nd best WR behind DBowe. Now our WR corp consists of Bowe, Webb, Sippio, and Parker. Once again if Croyle wants to improve we need more talent for him to throw to. Outside of Bowe, I don't see any of our WR's cracking the top 3 WR's on most teams in the NFL. This is an area that desperately needs to improve on talent. FA wise the players that should be on KC's radar are Bernard Berrian, Patrick Crayton, and Bryant Johnson. I also wouldn't mind drafting one in the 3rd rd. All of our WR's are shit.

Must sign K Josh Brown, nuff said. He can kick in batshit conditions. We need him plain and simple.

I would love for the first day to go something like this. (assuming we don't trade up or down in the draft)

2008
1. OT Jake Long
2. OG Branden Albert
3. WR Jordy Nelson

Add a few FA's in the mix WR Bryant Johnson K Josh Brown, OG Jake Scott
There will always be a few rookie FA's who will contribute.

2009
1. LB James Laurinaitis
2. WR Jeremy Maclin
3. ????

DT Tommie Harris is available in 2009 as he's a UFA. He's the best DT in the NFL and the Chiefs should STRONGLY look at getting him, the Chiefs should be able to afford it.

The Chiefs won't be even considered competitive I believe until 2009. This starting roster would look nice come 2009.

QB - Croyle
RB - LJ
TE - Gonzo
WR - Bowe
WR - Johnson
WR - Nelson
OT - Long
OT - McIntosh
OG - Albert
OG - Scott
C - Waters

DE - Allen
DE - Hali
DT - Harris
DT - Boone
LB - DJ
LB - Laurinaitis
LB - Edwards
CB - Surtain
CB - Brackenridge
FS - Page
SS - Pollard

K - Brown
P - Colquitt
KR - Maclin

You need put the bottle of findthedouche down and get into rehab quickly.

Micjones · 02-28-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali.

In this case it would be reeruned for the Chiefs to draft Virginia DE Chris Long because you're spending a first round top 5 pick on someone that will rotate in and out of DE, and yes I know DE's rotate all the time in this system, but there is absolutely no reason not to pick Jake Long if he's available at our pick.

Couldn't agree more.

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2 CB

I'd like to see us sign either Gay or Florence and draft a Corner on Day 1.

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1 DT

Sedrick Ellis would fit in quite nicely if Jake Long's off the board.

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1 WR

Hello Bryant Johnson.

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2 OG

Jacob Bell, Justin Smiley, or Jake Scott and maybe a Drew Radovich in April?

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2 OT

I think we can get by with just drafting Long.
McIntosh will remain a starter by default and we do have a couple RT options going into the future (Herb Taylor and maybe Svitek if he's resigned).

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2 LB

Wouldn't mind seeing the Chiefs draft a MLB and an OLB in April.

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1 K

Hello Josh Brown.

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Now our WR corp consists of Bowe, Webb, Sippio, and Parker.

Parker's an unrestricted free agent not expected to be resigned.
We're down to just those 3. We're in dire straits at that position.
Must have help... I wouldn't mind a Wide Receiver in both Free Agency and the Draft.

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FA wise the players that should be on KC's radar are Bernard Berrian, Patrick Crayton, and Bryant Johnson.

Crayton resigned with Dallas if I'm not mistaken...
Berrian just turned down 5 million dollars a year in Chi-town...
Johnson's our best bet and he's not going to be cheap as he'll be the best Free Agent Wide Receiver available not named Randy Moss. We may have to cross our fingers and sign a guy like Devery Henderson.

Here's what I'd like to see happen...

2008
1. OT Jake Long
2. CB Patrick Lee
3. WR Early Doucet

beach tribe · 02-28-2008, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

If your stomach can handle it, head over to the Draft forum.

In case you don't want to deal with that, I'll give you the basic premise.

A) We were told that the Chiefs were targetting Jake Long because guys like Chuck Cook, Bill Kuharich, etc. said so. We were told that the Chiefs brass were the best source of info, and suggestions that they might be throwing up smokescreens were scoffed at.

B) We were then told that Trevor Laws is a Sedrick Ellis clone.

C) Interestingly enough, Bill Kuharich, who was previously established as a reliable source of information says definitively that Sedrick Ellis and Glenn Dorsey are in a class by themselves.

So either A is false, or B is false. By the very nature of C, they cannot both be true.

If one was a smokescreen, why would the other not be.

Tell the truth, then send smoke, or send smoke, then tell the truth.

OOOOOOOOOOR maybe, just maybe it's all smoke.

Brock · 02-28-2008, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali.

Nonsense. Jared may not be here much longer, and Hali doesn't seem to be an explosive player. The key to the draft is to try to upgrade, regardless of what position. The draft is not about "filling holes".

**Iowanian** · 02-28-2008, 08:05 PM

Is there a podcast.

RE: first round DEs.

It seems to me the giants were drafting top shelf DEs when they arleady had 2 great ones, and it worked out pretty damn well for them.

I want Jake Long I think, but I sure won't freak out. There are very, very few positions on the roster that can't be improved.

02-28-2008, 03:04 PM
htismaqe 'Tis my eye! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Chiefsplanet Casino cash: $8069900	Does nobody care that Bill Kuharich was on with Soren Petro today? I thought it was very interesting some of the things he said. He said the draft was VERY deep this year, especially at CB and OT, and he thought that unlike some years sure-fire starters could go VERY late. In fact, in reference to CB's, he said if the "run" didn't start until the late 1st round, there might be starting-caliber CB's available in the FOURTH round. He also said, in so many words, that at DT there was Dorsey and Ellis and then everybody else. He said the gap between Jake Long and the next tier was alot less drastic than the gap between Dorsey and Ellis and the next tier.
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02-28-2008, 04:51 PM	#31
smittysbar Right in the Lumberyard Danny Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: LaPlata, MO Casino cash: $10004942	Wish I could have heard that. Did he happen to say if they would take a look at Laws with the #5 pick? __________________
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02-28-2008, 04:58 PM	#34
Micjones Whose house? Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KCMO Casino cash: $10005180	I'll pass on that one. I've got so much Draft information in my head already it just might explode if I start skimming through the Draft forum.
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02-28-2008, 05:08 PM	#39
suds79 MVP Join Date: Sep 2000 Casino cash: $10005036	While I'd like to have Jake Long be there when we draft, if it ends up being Sedrick Ellis, I would still be very happy because the guy is a special talent. If you watched him during the Senior bowl he clearly showed he was in a class by himself and living here in Lincoln, I clearly remember him shoving our O-linemen on their buts like they were 50 lbs on his way to the QB... I mean it's the type of play you might see in high school if one guy is simply that much bigger than the other. He's freaky.
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02-28-2008, 06:10 PM	#40
CoMoChief Mahomes Dynasty Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Parts Unknown Casino cash: $7662254	Taking the BPA is stupid if you already have that hole filled on your team with an already younger established player, such as our DE's Allen and Hali. In this case it would be reeruned for the Chiefs to draft Virginia DE Chris Long because you're spending a first round top 5 pick on someone that will rotate in and out of DE, and yes I know DE's rotate all the time in this system, but there is absolutely no reason not to pick Jake Long if he's available at our pick. He's a top 5 player in this whole draft, and he fills a void at our biggest need. If the BPA is an area of need, then you have to draft him, if not trade down. The first day picks are ALL picks that should have at least a great chance of becoming starters on your team. BPA is for the Chiefs 2nd day picks IMO. I just don't necessarily believe in taking the BPA, especially when your whole team is in a rebuilding mode where there are holes in 11 spots on this starting quad. Possibly 12 if Croyle doesn't pan out. We still need..... 2 CB 1 DT 1 WR 2 OG 2 OT 2 LB 1 K As far as FA goes, if we want to at least be competitive and show improvement, the Oline has to get better. Jake Scott, Flozell Adams, Ryan Lilja should all be on the Chiefs FA radar. This is the most important aspect of this team if we want to give Croyle a chance to get better. This is the most important and we need players that have already established themselves in the NFL. The 3 Olineman mentioned above are just that. Spending our first rd pick on Jake Long makes the most sense to solidify that position for 13 years to come. The next we should look at in FA is the WR position. Kennison just got released, who was our 2nd best WR behind DBowe. Now our WR corp consists of Bowe, Webb, Sippio, and Parker. Once again if Croyle wants to improve we need more talent for him to throw to. Outside of Bowe, I don't see any of our WR's cracking the top 3 WR's on most teams in the NFL. This is an area that desperately needs to improve on talent. FA wise the players that should be on KC's radar are Bernard Berrian, Patrick Crayton, and Bryant Johnson. I also wouldn't mind drafting one in the 3rd rd. All of our WR's are shit. Must sign K Josh Brown, nuff said. He can kick in batshit conditions. We need him plain and simple. I would love for the first day to go something like this. (assuming we don't trade up or down in the draft) 2008 1. OT Jake Long 2. OG Branden Albert 3. WR Jordy Nelson Add a few FA's in the mix WR Bryant Johnson K Josh Brown, OG Jake Scott There will always be a few rookie FA's who will contribute. 2009 1. LB James Laurinaitis 2. WR Jeremy Maclin 3. ???? DT Tommie Harris is available in 2009 as he's a UFA. He's the best DT in the NFL and the Chiefs should STRONGLY look at getting him, the Chiefs should be able to afford it. The Chiefs won't be even considered competitive I believe until 2009. This starting roster would look nice come 2009. QB - Croyle RB - LJ TE - Gonzo WR - Bowe WR - Johnson WR - Nelson OT - Long OT - McIntosh OG - Albert OG - Scott C - Waters DE - Allen DE - Hali DT - Harris DT - Boone LB - DJ LB - Laurinaitis LB - Edwards CB - Surtain CB - Brackenridge FS - Page SS - Pollard K - Brown P - Colquitt KR - Maclin __________________
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02-28-2008, 08:05 PM	#45
Iowanian Supporter Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Utopia Casino cash: $1638454	Is there a podcast. RE: first round DEs. It seems to me the giants were drafting top shelf DEs when they arleady had 2 great ones, and it worked out pretty damn well for them. I want Jake Long I think, but I sure won't freak out. There are very, very few positions on the roster that can't be improved.
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