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Old 05-07-2008, 08:58 PM  
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Walsh Gives NFL 8 Tapes of Pats Cheating
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Ex-Pats employee Walsh sends NFL video of Pats' taping

After brokering a deal to protect himself, former New England Patriots employee Matt Walsh has finally turned over his evidence in the videotaping controversy.
The New York Times reported and the NFL confirmed on Wednesday that Walsh sent eight tapes to the league that show the Patriots recording the play-calling signals of five opponents in six games between 2000 and 2002.
Taping the signals of opposing teams is prohibited by league rules, and the Patriots were already fined $750,000 and docked a first-round draft choice in September for taping the New York Jets. NFL commissioner Roger Goodell left open the possibility that more penalties could be levied.
A Patriots employee from 1997-2003, Walsh reached an agreement to turn over the tapes in exchange for being indemnified from all future legal fees.
The New York Times obtained a list of the Walsh tapes, and the league confirmed that list, which says that the Patriots taped offensive and defensive coaches in regular-season games against the Miami Dolphins, Buffalo Bills, Cleveland Browns and San Diego Chargers. The team also made video of the Pittsburgh Steelers in the 2002 AFC Championship Game.
Walsh's tapes do not include the video of the St. Louis Rams' walkthrough before the 2002 Super Bowl, as reported by the Boston Herald.
"Mr. Walsh has never claimed to have a tape of the walk-through," said Walsh's lawyer Michael Levy, according to the Times. "Mr. Walsh has never been the source of any of the media speculation about such a tape. Mr. Walsh was not the source for the Feb. 2 Boston Herald article."
Walsh has separate meetings scheduled on Tuesday with the commissioner and Senator Arlen Specter in which he is expected to provide additional details about the taping process.
Under his agreement with the league, Walsh can retain copies of his videotapes, but he cannot use them without the consent of the NFL.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:40 AM   #31
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I don't care. There's nothing you can really do to them at this point, they already have the rings.
I'm sure Donk fans are burning all thier SB good-stuffs as we speak. The shame must be-....wait.

If I had that moment, just once, of my team winning the whole whad would I care if they said we cheated 2-3 years later?

No.

Not just no, but HELL NO.

For that moment, on SB weekend, to be the best after sOOOOOOOOOOoooo many years of....no.

At this point I'd strangle my neighbor's grammy while she slept for a ring...
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:51 AM   #32
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I don't consider giving up a 1st round pick and the massive fine on BB to be lax.
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I agree that Denver's penalties for their multiple infractions of cheating the salary cap, greasing jerseys, illegal martial arts blocking techniques, circumventing the draft order, and bribing officials were extremely lax. But now their titles are generally considered to be shams throughout the league, so I'm not sure what it gained them.
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:53 AM   #33
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Trophies, rings and joy, baby. Trophies, rings and joy.
Exactly.

Don't get me wrong, I ****ing loathe you for it. I'll forever deteste the cheatin donx.

Would I mimic that model for a ring?

In a ****ing heartbeat...
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Old 05-08-2008, 12:54 AM   #34
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...Have they been punished for all 8 tapes that have now come to light? No.
Do we already know that? I mean, are you sure or are you guessing? Your sources on the matter are undoubtedly better than mine because I have no sources whatsoever.
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Exactly.

Don't get me wrong, I ****ing loathe you for it. I'll forever deteste the cheatin donx.

Would I mimic that model for a ring?

In a ****ing heartbeat...
Well, I hope you can separate me from the team. (I know I do, and I'm pretty sure that the Broncos wouldn't bail me out of jail. Come to think of it, I didn't get to lift the trophy and they must have forgotten to send me my ring.)

I didn't cheat. I'm only guilty of celebrating my ass off.
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Why did they have to cheat to try and beat the Bills,thats just sad...........
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Well, I hope you can separate me from the team. (I know I do, and I'm pretty sure that the Broncos wouldn't bail me out of jail.)

I didn't cheat. I'm only guilty of celebrating my ass off.
I'd planed to destory the entire state of Colorade to be sure, but now that you mention it, I should probably send out a few emails first...
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I'd planed to destroy the entire state of Colorado to be sure, but now that you mention it, I should probably send out a few emails first...
I know that I'd really, really, really appreciate it if I could get on that mailing list.

Have I ever admitted to you how much I admired and respected Eddie Kennison?
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Have I ever admitted to you how much I admired and respected Eddie Kennison?
Good start. I got to meet the guy and he seemed ****ing cool as hell to me. And at the time I looked like a cult leader.
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What's worse for the game is the lax punishment. It's like when the Broncos literally cheated with Vasoline and got a free timeout and a, what?, $5000 fine?

Lax? It was the heaviest punishment ever levied by the NFL in its entire history.
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No, that is not true. Bob Kraft came out recently and said there was nothing to the tapes. They never admitted anything at all about these tapes. The punishment they have already received only deals with the taping of the New York Jets.

Not correct.
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I know Patriots hating is in vogue, but you guys need to pay attention a little better before spouting off. The Pats admitting all this ages ago, so Walsh's tapes prove NOTHING that they didn't already ADMIT ***AND*** were punished for this past year.

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“This is consistent with what the Patriots had admitted they had been doing, consistent with what we already knew,” NFL spokesman Greg Aiello told the Associated Press last night.
http://www.bostonherald.com/sports/f...ome&position=2
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I know Patriots hating is in vogue, but you guys need to pay attention a little better before spouting off. The Pats admitting all this ages ago, so Walsh's tapes prove NOTHING that they didn't already ADMIT ***AND*** were punished for this past year.



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or should we shut down all non-pats fan approved discussion of the Patriots?
I'm not uptight about it. Just trying to make sure people get it right.

What they did was bad enough. Putting incorrect spin on it to make it looks worse is hardly necessary.
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A little more along the same lines. Seems like (as many expected) Walsh gave the NFL nothing new. It's unfortunate he felt the need to get involved at all.

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Goodell explained that the league's penalty against the Patriots early last season was for the totality of the team's videotaping actions, and that coach Bill Belichick acknowledged he had videotaped opposing signals since the start of his Patriots head coaching career.

If Walsh had new information, Goodell reiterated that he was committed to seeing it.
"If it's just taping of defensive signals, we know that," Goodell said April 2 at the NFL's annual meeting in Palm Beach, Fla. "The Patriots admitted to that. He seems to imply that he has something different and certainly something I would be concerned with if it's true. So, I'd like to see the evidence."
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