Not everyone impressed with Dayton Moore

[shaneo69]

A Royal Dump
by Dave Cameron - January 9, 2009

Man, I feel bad for Royals fans. Today, they announced a two year contract for Willie Bloomquist, worth a total of $3 million. That gives us this unholy quarter of transactions:

Kyle Farnsworth - 2 years, $9 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.1 wins above replacement
Mike Jacobs - 1 year, $3.5 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.7 wins above replacement
Horacio Ramirez - 1 year, $1.9 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.2 wins above replacement
Willie Bloomquist - 2 years, $3 million, 2006 to 2008: 0.3 wins above replacement

Those Win Value totals are not per year, but three year totals. Over the last three seasons, that foursome has been worth 1.3 wins combined. That’s 12 player-seasons to accumulate just over one marginal win. If you were trying to scrape up examples of major league players who represent replacement level performance, you couldn’t do much better than this group.

That those four will earn a collective $11.4 million in 2009 is pretty staggering. $11.4 million for four guys who, if everything goes right, will add something like one win to the Royals roster next year. $11.4 million for one win. I guess it’s better than the $12 million they spent to get 0.2 wins from Jose Guillen last winter, but that’s in the same way that getting stabbed is better than getting shot.

Dayton Moore came from Atlanta with a strong record of player development. He’s going to have be a Hall of Fame caliber GM at cultivating talent from within his own organization to overcome what can only be described as a devastatingly poor ability to evaluate major league players.

Really, in a market that could only be described as the best buyer’s market we’ve seen in a long time, Dayton Moore has still managed to squander money on unproductive players who do nothing to help his team win. That’s amazing.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/a-royal-dump/

[eazyb81]

Originally Posted by doomy3

The thing that pisses me off is the signings of Farnsworth and the trade for Crisp. We could have saved money, kept Ramirez, and signed Burrell for $9Mill and had an outfield with Burrell, DeJesus, and Guillen. That looks a lot better IMO than Crisp out there. Plus our bullpen would be better, and it would still be cheaper.

What makes you think Burrell would sign with us, considering the last three major free agents we've gone after (Hunter, Jones, Furcal) have just used us to drive up the price for other teams?

It's great in theory to say we should have just signed Burrell, Dunn, or Manny, but those players simply are not going to sign with the KC Royals at this point. Hell, we had to overpay just to sign Jose Guillen.

So it comes down to sitting on that cash and doing nothing, or using available payroll to sign other players that will add depth and improve the team. I prefer the latter.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

Why the fuck does it matter? Will we not need a backup SS next year? Does Bloomquist have a small track record that would make us doubt he'll do what we expect this year and next?

Signing somebody like Willie Bloomquist (arguably one of the worst players in baseball) for 2 years isn't good roster management, there is no way around that.

And yes, I'd rather save the cash than, as the article states, pay "unproductive players who do nothing to help his team win."

[|Zach|]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

How long does Dayton get a pass??

This will be his 3rd full year right? What if the Royals are bad again this year??

You are the king of internet message board sports fan losers.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

How long does Dayton get a pass??

This will be his 3rd full year right? What if the Royals are bad again this year??

You are a moron. The teams record has gotten better every year since he's been here. That's improvement. That's what he was hired to do. You don't turn around a small market baseball team in a year or two. Seriously just shut up if you don't know what you're talking about.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by eazyb81

What makes you think Burrell would sign with us, considering the last three major free agents we've gone after (Hunter, Jones, Furcal) have just used us to drive up the price for other teams?

It's great in theory to say we should have just signed Burrell, Dunn, or Manny, but those players simply are not going to sign with the KC Royals at this point. Hell, we had to overpay just to sign Jose Guillen.

So it comes down to sitting on that cash and doing nothing, or using available payroll to sign other players that will add depth and improve the team. I prefer the latter.

You're telling me that if we paid Burrell 1.5-2 Million more than what he signed for, he wouldn't come here? Maybe he wouldn't have, but I still don't like throwing 3 million at a guy like Bloomquist. It just doesn't make sense.

And I don't usually pick apart every move the Royals make, and I am a huge fan of Dayton, but this offseason has been puzzling to say the least.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by doomy3

And I don't usually pick apart every move the Royals make, and I am a huge fan of Dayton, but this offseason has been puzzling to say the least.

I'm a Royals fan first and foremost. I like the Jacobs and Crisp signings. I think we paid way too damn much for Farnsworth but he's likely to be trade bait at the deadline anyway. The Bloomquist signing does absolutely nothing to impress me but I believe in Dayton's ability to see something in a player more than my own so for now I'll just wait and see on that one.

He's signed a couple guys I really questioned... Kyle Davies for one... but Davies turned into a decent pitcher by the 2nd half of last season so I think Dayton is still to be trusted. Even a hard core Cardinal fan I work with thinks Davies has a bright future. People just have to be freakin patient... but I know that's not how it works in football and that's what this site is made of... football fans.

Dayton has done a good job of finding contributors without breaking the bank. I think he's one of the best GM's in baseball. He doesn't have a NY budget to work with. Give it a couple, three more years. I think we're heading in the right direction.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by beer me

I believe in Dayton's ability to see something in a player more than my own.

And this is the type of attitude that's preventing you from reaching your potential as a poster. Trusting a professional GM more than yourself...unbelievable.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

And this is the type of attitude that's preventing you from reaching your potential as a poster. Trusting a professional GM more than yourself...unbelievable.

I know... I don't try to pretend like I know it all MOST of the time and that holds be back from greatness when it comes to this place. Oh well.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by beer me

I'm a Royals fan first and foremost. I like the Jacobs and Crisp signings. I think we paid way too damn much for Farnsworth but he's likely to be trade bait at the deadline anyway. The Bloomquist signing does absolutely nothing to impress me but I believe in Dayton's ability to see something in a player more than my own so for now I'll just wait and see on that one.

He's signed a couple guys I really questioned... Kyle Davies for one... but Davies turned into a decent pitcher by the 2nd half of last season so I think Dayton is still to be trusted. Even a hard core Cardinal fan I work with thinks Davies has a bright future. People just have to be freakin patient... but I know that's not how it works in football and that's what this site is made of... football fans.

Dayton has done a good job of finding contributors without breaking the bank. I think he's one of the best GM's in baseball. He doesn't have a NY budget to work with. Give it a couple, three more years. I think we're heading in the right direction.

my thing though is throwing medium range money at guys who are scrap heap type of players. The guys like Bloomquist, Farnsworth, last year Tomko and Yabuta. Those are just bad deals IMO. No matter what your market. I would just much rather go young instead of playing these guys and then use the money we are spending on those bad contracts and get some impact guys.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by doomy3

You're telling me that if we paid Burrell 1.5-2 Million more than what he signed for, he wouldn't come here? Maybe he wouldn't have, but I still don't like throwing 3 million at a guy like Bloomquist. It just doesn't make sense.

And I don't usually pick apart every move the Royals make, and I am a huge fan of Dayton, but this offseason has been puzzling to say the least.

That's hard to say, especially since the Rays played in the World Series last year, and we didn't. I think we're just having a difficult time getting free agents to come here, and that probably won't change until we win.

No matter what happens, even this year... Dayton will and should eventually be judged about how these draft classes do. That's the biggest change he's made according to just about everyone. We spent a baseball record on draft picks this year.. and overall we're actually paying market value for late round guys, foreign players, etc. But those aren't going to be instant results.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by tk13

That's hard to say, especially since the Rays played in the World Series last year, and we didn't. I think we're just having a difficult time getting free agents to come here, and that probably won't change until we win.

No matter what happens, even this year... Dayton will and should eventually be judged about how these draft classes do. That's the biggest change he's made according to just about everyone. We spent a baseball record on draft picks this year.. and overall we're actually paying market value for late round guys, foreign players, etc. But those aren't going to be instant results.

I agree with that, and that's why I'm most excited about the direction. I just hope we start to see some of those results. I would also like us to sign more free agents that are those type of guys. Young, high upside types. Last year, we throw all this money at Guillen, Tomko, and Yabuta among others and meanwhile, the White Sox are signing young high upside guys like Alexi Ramirez and Quentin.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by doomy3

You're telling me that if we paid Burrell 1.5-2 Million more than what he signed for, he wouldn't come here? Maybe he wouldn't have, but I still don't like throwing 3 million at a guy like Bloomquist. It just doesn't make sense.

And I don't usually pick apart every move the Royals make, and I am a huge fan of Dayton, but this offseason has been puzzling to say the least.

I doubt that little would have made a difference. We had to go an extra year and an extra mil. per to get Meche. 15 mil. more total.

I'm guessing we'd have to do about the same with any front-line FA. Would Burrell be worth it? Not sure...

tk13 and others are right about the draft. One thing: we're paying well beyond market value in the later rounds. This is a great sign, and if Moore and his staff have been making the right picks, the FA market will soon start to open up to us a bit more.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by doomy3

my thing though is throwing medium range money at guys who are scrap heap type of players. The guys like Bloomquist, Farnsworth, last year Tomko and Yabuta. Those are just bad deals IMO. No matter what your market. I would just much rather go young instead of playing these guys and then use the money we are spending on those bad contracts and get some impact guys.

I understand that. Tomko was a solid but not spectacular pitcher coming in. Yabuta not so much. People won't admit it because of his attitude but Guillen was an impact player. He lead the team in homers. I think he just hates losing and that's fine with me. People act like he was worthless while he was far from it. I think they got Jacobs at the right time. He could become a star. Hell he already brings in 10 more homers a year last year than even Guillen.

When you have guys on your team that obviously aren't going to be stars... German, Callaspo, etc... and you can't sign a guy like Furcal because of money, then you see something in a player like Bloomquist and take a chance. The money isn't big and it may work out at 2nd. Thus is the connundrum of being a small market/low budget team. You do what you can (Jacobs, Crisp) and then try to fill holes(Bloomquist, Farnsworth). It takes some luck but the team is getting better and I believe we have every reason to believe they will be better this year than last. If anything I want more pitching at this point... as in a starter.

[Dr. Johnny Fever]

Originally Posted by doomy3

I agree with that, and that's why I'm most excited about the direction. I just hope we start to see some of those results. I would also like us to sign more free agents that are those type of guys. Young, high upside types. Last year, we throw all this money at Guillen, Tomko, and Yabuta among others and meanwhile, the White Sox are signing young high upside guys like Alexi Ramirez and Quentin.

And btw... the White Sox finished behind us.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by beer me

And btw... the White Sox finished behind us.

right. So, obviously Guillen, Tomko and Yabuta were better signings than Alexi Ramirez and Carlos Quentin last year.