Chiefs Missed this comment from Clark on QBs - Page 3

**the Talking Can** · 01-15-2009, 02:30 PM

just replayed it on 810, from petro interview

Clark talked about the fact that the Patriots drafted a QB almost every year, and went on to say "I'm sure Scott Pioli's teams will draft a QB every year...and we'll hit on one of them and that will be our franchise QB..."

2 obvious points:

1. Clark gets it - we have to have a QB, and we have to draft QBs to find the right one...doesn't mean we'll take one at #3, but it is a clear change from Carl...

2. Thigpen is not our franchise QB

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2009, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury

Have you seen Flacco's pass attempts? So he can fire the ball downfield; big frickin whoop. He's completing about 50 percent of his passes just like Thiggy, he is rarely even asked to throw when it's not a perfect situation, he has a better o-line, and he put up crap numbers.

Flacco is probably going to be a very good QB one day; but put Thigpen on the Ravens and they're probably going to be even better because they have an offense that can move the ball through the air.

Except that in the Ravens offense, he'd be asked to play under center.

Uh, do you remember those results with Thigpen at the helm?

The_Doctor10 · 01-15-2009, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except that in the Ravens offense, he'd be asked to play under center.

Uh, do you remember those results with Thigpen at the helm?

Yes, yes, he's a circus. Give him an off-season with competent coaching, draft the best LB/DE you can find, and find a QB project in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder, Drew Brees was the last pick of the 2nd round, you don't NEED to burn a top 3 pick on a QB, especially when you have so many other glaring needs.

PunkinDrublic · 01-15-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Except that in the Ravens offense, he'd be asked to play under center.

Uh, do you remember those results with Thigpen at the helm?

I don't see what all the pro-Thigpen peoples problems are with us drafting a QB. If Thigpen is worth his salt as a starter he shouldn't have a problem beating someone out in training camp.

The_Doctor10 · 01-15-2009, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

I don't see what all the pro-Thigpen peoples problems are with us drafting a QB. If Thigpen is worth his salt as a starter he shouldn't have a problem beating someone out in training camp.

I don't have a problem drafting a QB; I think it would be foolish not to. But when you draft a guy with the number 3 pick, any 'competition' is transparent and laughable; the guy you give 30 million in guarantees to is obviously going to start eventually. Take a qb in the second or third round and watch what happens when you have competent coaching.

And Thigpen will probably look a lot better with an overhauled line east of Albert and Waters.

DJ's left nut · 01-15-2009, 05:01 PM

Statistics are useful only to the extent that they can be used to predict future results. This tends to work alright in baseball, not so much in football.

What is far more useful is examining how Tyler Thigpen actually performed. Even balls he threw that were caught tended to be behind his guy and/or forced into TG. He's not a good passer, at all. Additionally, as a passer, he regressed over 400 attempts. He did not improve a single bit as the season went along. The stats reflect that, but his actual play to play performance does a far better job showing that than any raw numbers could.

PunkinDrublic · 01-15-2009, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury

I don't have a problem drafting a QB; I think it would be foolish not to. But when you draft a guy with the number 3 pick, any 'competition' is transparent and laughable; the guy you give 30 million in guarantees to is obviously going to start eventually. Take a qb in the second or third round and watch what happens when you have competent coaching.

And Thigpen will probably look a lot better with an overhauled line east of Albert and Waters.

That's not always true. Didn't Phillip Rivers backup Drew Brees briefly, Jay Cutler didn't immediately start over Jake Plummer. There's plenty of examples of first round QBs not starting immediately.

greyhoodie · 01-15-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

just replayed it on 810, from petro interview

Clark talked about the fact that the Patriots drafted a QB almost every year, and went on to say "I'm sure Scott Pioli's teams will draft a QB every year...and we'll hit on one of them and that will be our franchise QB..."

2 obvious points:

1. Clark gets it - we have to have a QB, and we have to draft QBs to find the right one...doesn't mean we'll take one at #3, but it is a clear change from Carl...

2. Thigpen is not our franchise QB

These are the QBs drafted by Scott at NE (and where they were drafted)

2000 Tom Brady 199
2001 none
2002 Rohan Davey 117
2003 Kliff Kingsbury 201
2004 none
2005 Matt Cassel 230
2006 none
2007 none
2008 Kevin O'Connell 94

I would say that is closer to every other year.

one future HOF and another very solid pick who some expect will be traded to the Chiefs; 2 busts and a TBD.

ChiefsCountry · 01-15-2009, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PunkinDrublic

That's not always true. Didn't Phillip Rivers backup Drew Brees briefly, Jay Cutler didn't immediately start over Jake Plummer. There's plenty of examples of first round QBs not starting immediately.

Palmer and Kitna as well.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Unleash_the_Phury

Yes, yes, he's a circus. Give him an off-season with competent coaching, draft the best LB/DE you can find, and find a QB project in the later rounds. Brady was a 6th rounder, Drew Brees was the last pick of the 2nd round, you don't NEED to burn a top 3 pick on a QB, especially when you have so many other glaring needs.

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.

**ShortRoundChief** · 01-15-2009, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.

yep he can be our ryan leaf....

ChiefsCountry · 01-15-2009, 05:11 PM

Oh yes lets dont take the QB bc of the bust factor. Its about 70% that you will get at least a Pro Bowl QB with a top 5 pick.

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-15-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by J Diddy

yep he can be our ryan leaf....

There's no way that Sanchez or Stafford will go the way of Leaf.

Regardless of when they're chosen and by whom.

That guy was and is mental.

DJ's left nut · 01-15-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

Stupid, stupid comparison.

Drew Brees was the FIRST pick of the 2nd round, not the last. Furthermore, his slide was predicated on the fact that the teams above him did NOT need a QB.

The Chiefs NEED the most talented QB they can find and if it's Stafford or Sanchez, either will be the finest QB that the Chiefs have ever drafted in ANY round.

Nah, the fact that 25 SBs were won by 1st rounders is the anomoly (and 3 others by Staubach and Thiesmann who would've been 1st rounders but for the Navy and baseball respectively). Dayton Moore's an idiot as well, he should trade Zack Greinke for a lefty that throws 82 mph, Jaime Moyer's been doing it for 20 years.

It pains me to see people point out Tom Brady as a reason to pass on 1st round QBs when the results are so readily apparent for anyone that isn't a reerun.

greyhoodie · 01-15-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Using Tom Brady as example is foolish. Complete and utter foolishness. How many QB's in the history of the NFL were selected in the 6th round that didn't amount to a hill of beans?

In hindsight, Tom Brady would have been the number one overall pick in 2000, bar none. He's a Hall Of Famer in waiting. The same goes for Joe Montana. Just because Montana was chosen in the third round doesn't automatically make ANY third round choice a potential Hall of Famer.

It would be foolish if your GM didn't strike gold TWICE. Matt Cassel was drafted in the 7th round. And while Matt Cassel is no Tom Brady he is probably the greatest 7th round QB in history.

CaliforniaChief · 01-15-2009, 05:23 PM

Where does Nate Davis project in the draft? I realize how Whitlockish this sounds, but the guy has a nice frame and seems to have some real potential as a QB in the NFL. If he was available 2nd round, we could possibly trade down out of #3, pick up a defensive playmaker in the first, perhaps a right tackle in the extra pick, and Nate Davis with our 2nd round selection. I like Maualuga, that guy's a monster.

01-15-2009, 02:30 PM
the Talking Can Supporter Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: street Casino cash: $9162208	Missed this comment from Clark on QBs just replayed it on 810, from petro interview Clark talked about the fact that the Patriots drafted a QB almost every year, and went on to say "I'm sure Scott Pioli's teams will draft a QB every year...and we'll hit on one of them and that will be our franchise QB..." 2 obvious points: 1. Clark gets it - we have to have a QB, and we have to draft QBs to find the right one...doesn't mean we'll take one at #3, but it is a clear change from Carl... 2. Thigpen is not our franchise QB
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DJ's left nut Sauntering Vaguely Downwards Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Columbia, Mo Casino cash: $-850901	Statistics are useful only to the extent that they can be used to predict future results. This tends to work alright in baseball, not so much in football. What is far more useful is examining how Tyler Thigpen actually performed. Even balls he threw that were caught tended to be behind his guy and/or forced into TG. He's not a good passer, at all. Additionally, as a passer, he regressed over 400 attempts. He did not improve a single bit as the season went along. The stats reflect that, but his actual play to play performance does a far better job showing that than any raw numbers could.
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01-15-2009, 05:23 PM	#45
CaliforniaChief #RIPAce Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: So Cal Casino cash: $10535899	Where does Nate Davis project in the draft? I realize how Whitlockish this sounds, but the guy has a nice frame and seems to have some real potential as a QB in the NFL. If he was available 2nd round, we could possibly trade down out of #3, pick up a defensive playmaker in the first, perhaps a right tackle in the extra pick, and Nate Davis with our 2nd round selection. I like Maualuga, that guy's a monster.
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