Chiefs Carl the reason our d sucked last year - Page 3

MichaelH · 01-17-2009, 02:44 PM

I like Gunther but I agree, it's time for him to go. But all this talk about poor tackling fundamentals? Really? I would hope that by the time a player signs a huge NFL contract they know how to tackle.

milkman · 01-17-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

I just wouldn't know Chiefzilla. IN the 90's Gun was the Mastermind. And we all celebrated when Robinson was canned and Gun agreed to return to KC from Tenessee. Now, well, he's gotta go. I'd just like to know what happened between then and now. Is he sabotaging the D in a perverse way of getting back at Peterson for his dismissal as HC? Well, now that Peterson's gone will Gun straighten up and fly right by this team? Or, should he be shown the door.....again.

FTR, I wasn't happy that ****her was brought back, though I did believe that he would be better than Spinner.

I didn't, however, expect him to be this bad.

**Easy 6** · 01-17-2009, 02:32 PM

My single biggest gripe on D this year, was the stubborn insistence on starting Dorsey & Tank together time & again...they were clearly overmatched as a starting duo. That kind of willful, prideful stubbornness just screams Herm Edwards.

I HATE that traditional Tampa 2 lightweight DT school of thought, even good versions of it consistently get their ass handed to'em by good running games.

The only times i thought we looked strong against the run was when Edwards was in there, he could atleast hold his own at the point of attack. I also though Boone was misused & underutilized...08's Mr. Invisible, he can do some some good things as a 3rd & long type DT IMO.

Mecca · 01-17-2009, 02:14 PM

I don't care what he did in the 90s what he's done here in his 2nd stint earned him his firing.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 01-17-2009, 02:24 PM

I don't see a difference at all between Grob's KC D, and Gun's KC D. None.

HIChief · 01-17-2009, 02:29 PM

And, BTW, didn't Gun build a pretty good D in Tennessee?

Mecca · 01-17-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

And, BTW, didn't Gun build a pretty good D in Tennessee?

What did he build he was a position coach.

Brock · 01-17-2009, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

And, BTW, didn't Gun build a pretty good D in Tennessee?

No. Why would you think that?

HIChief · 01-17-2009, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

No. Why would you think that?

Because the Titans went to the SB while Gun was there. If he's such a terrible fundamentals guy, and can't coach, and "defenses win championships" then what business did Tennessee have in the SB? But, now that Chiefzilla has refreshed my memory, it probably is better that Gun be replaced.

Agent V · 01-17-2009, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

Because the Titans went to the SB while Gun was there. If he's such a terrible fundamentals guy, and can't coach, and "defenses win championships" then what business did Tennessee have in the SB? But, now that Chiefzilla has refreshed my memory, it probably is better that Gun be replaced.

Well, they didn't WIN the championship and he was only a linebacker coach.

**Bugeater** · 01-17-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

Because the Titans went to the SB while Gun was there.

No, they didn't. The Titans went to the Super Bowl the first year Gun was our HC.

Valiant · 01-17-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HIChief

And, BTW, didn't Gun build a pretty good D in Tennessee?

No, he did jackshit there.. He was not the DC, he had no real responsibilities on calls..

Everybody always wants to remember the good ole days as something better then what they were..

Valiant · 01-17-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by big nasty kcnut

By not signing ja he basicly killed our d. Ja was our main guy who distracted the other team offense. By not having him he slowed down the learning of the d for glen dorsey he could of been studying historical study of the american old west but instead he learning to tie his shoes and not eat paste. That why we need julius pepper to help glen take the next step. I know you all want gunther gone but him and krumie got shafted last year by carl.

Or look at it this way... By not signing JA, we would have really never known how truly shitty most of that Dline was..

Signing JA would have meant keeping some of those shitty players longer and keeping CP as a GM longer..

Gunther and Krumie did not get shafted by anyone but themselves.. If our OC can learn to put a playbook together that worked for Thigpin, then our DC should have been trying to see what would have worked better for our defensive players besides the tampa 2..

Gunther did jack shit but stand around and watch the suckfest.. If he was forced not to change then he should have just left..

Fritz88 · 01-17-2009, 04:06 PM

too shabby.

FringeNC · 01-17-2009, 04:08 PM

I predict our defense will be better next year with Carl, Herm, Gun, and Krumrie all gone.

01-17-2009, 02:44 PM	#1
MichaelH Go Chiefs! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Gastonia, North Carolina Casino cash: $9192006	I like Gunther but I agree, it's time for him to go. But all this talk about poor tackling fundamentals? Really? I would hope that by the time a player signs a huge NFL contract they know how to tackle.
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Easy 6 pie is never free Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: the drivers seat Casino cash: $-192225	My single biggest gripe on D this year, was the stubborn insistence on starting Dorsey & Tank together time & again...they were clearly overmatched as a starting duo. That kind of willful, prideful stubbornness just screams Herm Edwards. I HATE that traditional Tampa 2 lightweight DT school of thought, even good versions of it consistently get their ass handed to'em by good running games. The only times i thought we looked strong against the run was when Edwards was in there, he could atleast hold his own at the point of attack. I also though Boone was misused & underutilized...08's Mr. Invisible, he can do some some good things as a 3rd & long type DT IMO.
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