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DaWolf · 01-20-2009, 03:02 PM

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Collinsworth: Haley will be Chiefs' new coach

NBC Sports analyst Cris Collinsworth expects Arizona Cardinals offensive coordinator Todd Haley to become the Chiefs’ next head coach.

It’s becoming more apparent that the Chiefs are waiting until after the Super Bowl to identify their next head coach _ or why not send Herm Edwards to the Senior Bowl and let him replace assistants who are fleeing?

Collinsworth, who spent time with Haley before covering the Cardinals’ wild-card win over Atlanta for NBC and will work the Super Bowl, said Haley’s star has risen higher than anyone’s during the playoffs.

“I think he’ll be the coach in Kansas City,” Collinsworth told me Tuesday on a teleconference.

“I’m watching what’s happening with all the (new) coaches, and we’ve seen some of the defensive coaches come off the board, and the one guy nobody is talking about that has surprised me, and it’s because (the Cardinals) flew so far under the radar screen, was Haley. He’s not under the radar screen anymore.

“The biggest winner who has come out of this run by the Arizona Cardinals has been Todd Haley.”

Haley worked with new Chiefs general manager Scott Pioli with the New York Jets during 1997-99.

Some have speculated Pioli may hire Iowa coach Kirk Ferentz, but Ferentz' son, James, will be a sophomore offensive lineman on the Hawkeyes' football team next season, and it's hard to believe Kirk will want to walk away from that.

And if Ferentz was the choice, why not make the move now?

Sometimes, timing is everything.

For more on what Collinsworth said about Haley, check out Wednesday's Kansas City Star.

ChiefRon · 01-20-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Good coaches don't have to make shit shine. Good coaches take good talent and put them in positions to be successful.

Good coaches also improve players, as well as knowing how to utilize their strengths and disguise / shield their weaknesses.

**BigRedChief** · 01-20-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

It is hard for me to get excited about a guy who gets to game plan with Boldin and Fitzgerald. Sort of like Culpepper getting called a great QB when he was playing with Moss and Carter. But I don't know this guys history, so my mind could be easily changed.

He's a branch of the Parcells tree. Pioli worked with the guy for 2 years. If Pioli says he's the guy thats good enough for me to give him a chance.

But jeeezz we have Parcells and Cohwer rumors out there also. Who really knows WTH is going on?

WilliamTheIrish · 01-20-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

It is hard for me to get excited about a guy who gets to game plan with Boldin and Fitzgerald. Sort of like Culpepper getting called a great QB when he was playing with Moss and Carter. But I don't know this guys history, so my mind could be easily changed.

What would it take for you get excited? And I'm not asking that in a "reach around" kind of way.

keg in kc · 01-20-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Mike Martz was called an offensive genius when he had Faulk, Holt, Bruce and a great line.

Spagnuolo had Strahan, Tuck, Osi, he's called a genius.

Good coaches don't have to make shit shine. Good coaches take good talent and put them in positions to be successful.

Al Saunders here versus Al Saunders in Washington. Gunther Cunningham in 1995 versus Gunther Cunningham in 2005.

It's a mutually-beneficial thing. Coaches help players shine, players help coaches shine. If there's a weak link either place you're boned. Although i think the right player combinations can make good coaches look brilliant. True geniouses are few and far between, and I don't know that there's any coach so good that he can turn a bad roster into a good team. Only so much polishing you can give a turd. But, if the whole 'patriots way' thing works, we'll find coaches who can turn an average to good unit, talent-wise, into a great one.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-20-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefRon

Good coaches also improve players, as well as knowing how to utilize their strengths and disguise / shield their weaknesses.

What Cardinal starters didn't improve with Haley?

Tim Hightower developed into a decent RB.

Fitz and Boldin were studs.

Kurt Warner returned to dominance with him.

The Parcells coaching tree has been pretty strong.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-20-2009, 03:28 PM

What's also big is that Haley's dad was a front office guy for the Steelers.

Basileus777 · 01-20-2009, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

On the positive side, he is deeply schooled in the Steeler way of things as his dad worked for the Steelers in a personnel director. He's also a disciple of Parcells. He's also in the Super Bowl.

On the negative side, he's an overly emotional coach who has gotten into screaming matches his last two stops with players on the sidelines, and he's the coach on a team that finished 9-7 in the tremendously weak NFC West.

On the positive side, his Cardinals offense finished 4th, 4th, and 2nd in points, yards, and passing yards.

On the negative side, his offense compiled a lot of those numbers against the, again, tremendously weak NFC West and played in a warm climate city. His rushing offense finished dead last (72 yards a game) and that wouldn't cut it coaching in Kansas City in the cold weather.

I'd have to see who his assistants would be because I'm not sold on him as a head coach at all...

It's kind of hard to use the NFC West excuse when his offense just shredded the NFC South and NFC East on the way to the Superbowl.

BWillie · 01-20-2009, 03:28 PM

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

CoMoChief · 01-20-2009, 03:29 PM

Bowe will turn into Fitzgerald now. OH **** YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!

ChiefRon · 01-20-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

It's kind of hard to use the NFC West excuse when his offense just shredded the NFC South and NFC East on the way to the Superbowl.

This.

They just dominated Atlanta and Carolina, and that was a brilliant gameplan against the Eagles.

**The Bad Guy** · 01-20-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

When did he do that?

Besides dealing with TO and Boldin's blowup, when has there been a problem with him?

ChiefRon · 01-20-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

What Cardinal starters didn't improve with Haley?

Tim Hightower developed into a decent RB.

Fitz and Boldin were studs.

Kurt Warner returned to dominance with him.

The Parcells coaching tree has been pretty strong.

My point exactly.

I would be stoked with Haley as the HC, although I would be anxiously awaiting his selection of DC.

eazyb81 · 01-20-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DaWolf

On the positive side, he is deeply schooled in the Steeler way of things as his dad worked for the Steelers in a personnel director. He's also a disciple of Parcells. He's also in the Super Bowl.

On the negative side, he's an overly emotional coach who has gotten into screaming matches his last two stops with players on the sidelines, and he's the coach on a team that finished 9-7 in the tremendously weak NFC West.

On the positive side, his Cardinals offense finished 4th, 4th, and 2nd in points, yards, and passing yards.

On the negative side, his offense compiled a lot of those numbers against the, again, tremendously weak NFC West and played in a warm climate city. His rushing offense finished dead last (72 yards a game) and that wouldn't cut it coaching in Kansas City in the cold weather.

I'd have to see who his assistants would be because I'm not sold on him as a head coach at all...

I would hardly hold the Boldin situation against him - it was clear that Boldin was being a primadonna bitch and was crying about playing time. The guy didn't even stay for his team's Super Bowl celebration in the locker room.

I'm not sure of the other situation you're referring to, but I'm guessing it's the T.O. situation. He didn't argue with him on the sideline, but he did call T.O. out for basically being a pussy. Then T.O. went to Jerry Jones to cry, and shit hit the fan.

If anything, it appears Haley is a coach that doesn't take shit from players. Parcells acts the same way.

**the Talking Can** · 01-20-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

is that a bad thing?

CupidStunt · 01-20-2009, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie007

This is the guy that even admitted that he's not a players coach.

Brilliant. We need someone to smack mouthy biotch players around, not coddle them.

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