McShays updated top 10 draft.

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Per ESPNnews


1. Lions
Matt Stafford QB

2. Rams
Jason Smith OT

3. Chiefs
Aaron Curry LB

4. Seahawks
B.J. Raji DT

5. Browns
Malcolm Jenkins CB

6. Bengals
Andre Smith OT

7. Raiders
Mike Crabtree WR

8. Jaguars
Jeremy Maclin WR

9. Packers
Eugene Monroe OT

10. 49ers
Mark Sanchez QB


I like the Curry pick. Jason Smith at 2 supprised me...

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by KCwolf

I understand U have a USC affiliation....so bias will be noted.
So Stafford Goes to Detroit.....U think Sanchez is the pick? Honestly. @ #3?
NO F'n way IMO....but help me see the light.

To me (and apparently a bunch of professional draft analysts who are predicting that he'll go at #3, as ridiculous as that sounds to you), his arm, accuracy, touch, poise, familiarity with a pro-style system, and work ethic paint a pretty nice picture.

Let's flip the script. What makes Sanchez unworthy of the #3 pick?

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

To me (and apparently a bunch of professional draft analysts who are predicting that he'll go at #3, as ridiculous as that sounds to you), his arm, accuracy, touch, poise, familiarity with a pro-style system, and work ethic paint a pretty nice picture.

Let's flip the script. What makes Sanchez unworthy of the #3 pick?

Experience and dare I say adversity. Sanchez had a great first year as a starter, but he would be the first player taken in the first round to succeed in the NFL with his limited number of starts.

[El Jefe]

Originally Posted by theorangelion

Curry is not bad at 3. Better than a QB

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

To me (and apparently a bunch of professional draft analysts who are predicting that he'll go at #3, as ridiculous as that sounds to you), his arm, accuracy, touch, poise, familiarity with a pro-style system, and work ethic paint a pretty nice picture.

Let's flip the script. What makes Sanchez unworthy of the #3 pick?

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

Experience and dare I say adversity. Sanchez had a great first year as a starter, but he would be the first player taken in the first round to succeed in the NFL with his limited number of starts.

So you like all that he has to offer (arm, accuracy, touch, poise, worked in a pro-style system and work ethic) but he's not worthy of being drafted where we are.....because he's not experienced.

It's not like we're 1 player away from a SB. You grab the franchise QB in the 1st round and you let him battle it out in training camp. If he doesn't win....he sits a year to learn the system.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

The only person that I could possibly see doing it.....would be Pollard. And I'll probably get flamed for saying that.

This is a great point. His edge rushing is one of his best capabilities. Look at his production on special teams. I think he's being underutilized in coverage. He should be blitzing like crazy a la Adrian Wilson.

[EyePod]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

So you like all that he has to offer (arm, accuracy, touch, poise, worked in a pro-style system and work ethic) but he's not worthy of being drafted where we are.....because he's not experienced.

It's not like we're 1 player away from a SB. You grab the franchise QB in the 1st round and you let him battle it out in training camp. If he doesn't win....he sits a year to learn the system.

The only problem is that the best time for a young qb to learn the system is when you have a GOOD veteran QB in place. Like at Arizona. If Kurt retires this year, Leinart is going to be awesome because of the experience he's building. He's learning the correct ways to succeed from a proven, veteran QB. We don't have that situation. I say stick with Thiggy.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by EyePod

The only problem is that the best time for a young qb to learn the system is when you have a GOOD veteran QB in place. Like at Arizona. If Kurt retires this year, Leinart is going to be awesome because of the experience he's building. He's learning the correct ways to succeed from a proven, veteran QB. We don't have that situation. I say stick with Thiggy.

Ok....and then what? What happens if Thigpen flops horribly next year? Then we draft a QB in the 2010 draft? Yeah because Bradford, Tebow and McCoy are such great prospects.

What you do is you grab Sanchez or Stafford with the #3 pick. You let him sit behind Thigpen (if he can't beat him out in TC) and let Thigpen show you what he can do. Worst case scenario....Thigpen sucks and you let him go after the next season. Best case scenario....Thigpen performs well and you have trade bait.

And to the whole proven, veteran QB issue.....pick one up in FA. It's not like Croyle is the future of this team. Huard isn't good either. I would pick up a veteran in FA that not only has experience but also knows that he's going to be in a backup role.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

So you like all that he has to offer (arm, accuracy, touch, poise, worked in a pro-style system and work ethic) but he's not worthy of being drafted where we are.....because he's not experienced.

It's not like we're 1 player away from a SB. You grab the franchise QB in the 1st round and you let him battle it out in training camp. If he doesn't win....he sits a year to learn the system.

I think Sanchez had a very good first year as a starter. He showed lots of promise. I don't think that in the last 15 years or so there has been a first or second round QB that succeeded in the NFL with so few starts as Sanchez. They've all busted. Experience is a HUGE issue.

I don't think it is wise to draft Sanchez and then let him battle it out with Thigpen. IMHO, it is one or the other and you need a real veteran QB next year who can run whatever system Pioli/head coach end up running.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

I think if he had two studs next to him he could make more things happen, but he's been handcuffed for years with a hodge-podge team Carl kept trotting out there. I really believe he could upgrade a LBing group- he's had very little help, IMO and the Cover Two doesn't fit his skillset in the least. I'm still of the belief we should trade him now and get a good draft pick in exchange, depending on a fair offer.

I'm sorry, we're in complete disagreement.

DJ has not performed like the #15 overall pick of the draft. He's performed more along the lines of a 3rd or 4th rounder. If you told me that Donnie Edwards was drafted #15 overall and DJ was drafted in the 4th (the exact opposite of reality), that would buy. But as we all know, that isn't the case.

DJ isn't a game-changing player. I was at the Jets game when he had a sure INT for 6 points, sealing the game. He dropped it. He does those types of things time and time and time again. And this past season, he was bit by the injury bug.

While the defense would improve dramatically if even average players were a the other OLB and MLB positions, Derrick Johnson's play would be the same.

He's just not a "special" player. The Chiefs missed again.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by EyePod

The only problem is that the best time for a young qb to learn the system is when you have a GOOD veteran QB in place. Like at Arizona. If Kurt retires this year, Leinart is going to be awesome because of the experience he's building. He's learning the correct ways to succeed from a proven, veteran QB. We don't have that situation. I say stick with Thiggy.

Leinart will never be awesome in Todd Haley's scheme.

Leinart is a West Coast Offense guy, accurate dink and dunk.

Haley is a long-ball guy. Leinart doesn't have the arm.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I think Sanchez had a very good first year as a starter. He showed lots of promise. I don't think that in the last 15 years or so there has been a first or second round QB that succeeded in the NFL with so few starts as Sanchez. They've all busted. Experience is a HUGE issue.

I don't think it is wise to draft Sanchez and then let him battle it out with Thigpen. IMHO, it is one or the other and you need a real veteran QB next year who can run whatever system Pioli/head coach end up running.

It doesn't matter where he's drafted. What matters is how he performs on the field.

Matt Cassel hadn't started a game since high school. While I wouldn't want him as the QB of the Chiefs, it's one example of a guy stepping in and playing well. Drew Brees had his ups and downs but was certainly ready to start for the Chargers after being drafted in the second round.

You're forgetting the fact that Sanchez was at USC for four years. He's not a true junior, he didn't bounce around from school to school. He played very well at USC.

So what if he's not ready to start in 2009? Very few QB's are ready to start their first year in the NFL. If he's not, sit him for year. But honestly, I don't think that'll be the case. I think he'll start immediately for whomever drafts him.

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I say absolutely to Stafford, still not 100% convinced on Sanchez...Either way I'm concerned that without a solid foundation around him, either guy is gonna get his lunch ate in an early stage of their development. The plus to experience is that they learn how to handle adversity, and gain confidence in their abilities the more they play. Flacco and Ryan came into situations where teams underachieved, but still had a pretty solid core. Nice lines and solid Defenses. KC has very little right now and a young QB running for his life and constantly behind isnt going to develop as well as a guy that gets a chance to read progressions, make proper throws, and see results.

JMO

[RustShack]

The top of the draft is about potential, not experience.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It doesn't matter where he's drafted. What matters is how he performs on the field.

Matt Cassel hadn't started a game since high school. While I wouldn't want him as the QB of the Chiefs, it's one example of a guy stepping in and playing well. Drew Brees had his ups and downs but was certainly ready to start for the Chargers after being drafted in the second round.

You're forgetting the fact that Sanchez was at USC for four years. He's not a true junior, he didn't bounce around from school to school. He played very well at USC.

So what if he's not ready to start in 2009? Very few QB's are ready to start their first year in the NFL. If he's not, sit him for year. But honestly, I don't think that'll be the case. I think he'll start immediately for whomever drafts him.

I think this goes to my point that he went to a team with all the pieces in place and was able to develop because of it. He has a great line giving him protection, a defense that you dont feel you have to carry so you push...
Then a couple of years to practice with a bunch of professionals who have had success.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

It doesn't matter where he's drafted. What matters is how he performs on the field.

Matt Cassel hadn't started a game since high school. While I wouldn't want him as the QB of the Chiefs, it's one example of a guy stepping in and playing well. Drew Brees had his ups and downs but was certainly ready to start for the Chargers after being drafted in the second round.

You're forgetting the fact that Sanchez was at USC for four years. He's not a true junior, he didn't bounce around from school to school. He played very well at USC.

So what if he's not ready to start in 2009? Very few QB's are ready to start their first year in the NFL. If he's not, sit him for year. But honestly, I don't think that'll be the case. I think he'll start immediately for whomever drafts him.

Cassel sat for three years. Are you okay if Sanchez had to sit for two years?