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Old 02-08-2009, 11:59 PM   #1
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A guy who sets the all-time record for a position in nearly all categories?

Tough call, it really is if he's first ballot or not. The chances aren't as ugly as some posters like to think it is. All time receiving yards, TDs, catches for a TE? That's pretty big shit.

Also, Barry Sanders was a first ballot HOFer. And he won ONE playoff game.

Luckily the HOF committee actually looks at how good a player actually is, and not just how good of a team the guy was on for his career.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:59 PM   #2
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:54 PM   #3
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Come on. You can joke all you want, but there far more evidence to the contrary.

DT in year 5. Sharpe and Carter (again) this year. The selection process is a ****ing joke.
I understand that. But I think Shields has a 50/50 shot to get in first ballot.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:01 AM   #4
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Bruce Matthews was a first ballot HOF'er just a year or two ago, and he didn't win anything either. It depends who you're up against sometimes. I don't know who would be in Shields HOF class. There's nothing "irrational" about it.
Guys like Derrick Thomas, Cris Carter, and Sharpe didn't get in on the first ballot, and they were premier players who got tons of coverage.

Shields played an anonymous condition for a mediocre team.

In a lot of ways, it's like Heisman balloting. It generally goes to the highest profile player on one of the best teams.

It took Elvin Bethea 15 years, Buck Buchanan 10+, Dan Dierdorf took 7 or 8 years despite not giving up a sack for over two years at right tackle and being a media fixture on MNF.
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Old 02-08-2009, 11:57 PM   #5
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I understand that. But I think Shields has a 50/50 shot to get in first ballot.
Yeah, depending on the class, I could see 50/50 as being realistic. But I think it will be about the same odds for Gonzo, and both guys should be forget-about-it locks.
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Yeah, depending on the class, I could see 50/50 as being realistic. But I think it will be about the same odds for Gonzo, and both guys should be forget-about-it locks.
I don't really think Gonzo is questionable. I think he is automatic. He still isn't done and has broken most records.
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Old 02-09-2009, 12:03 AM   #7
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I don't really think Gonzo is questionable. I think he is automatic. He still isn't done and has broken most records.
For any sane voter he shouldn't be. But when Mr. Jewry couldn't exchange his hardware for enshrinement, it gives me serious pause.

For some players I don't even think there's the need for the formality of a vote. When they retire, the league should contact them and say, "See you in 5." Seriously.
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Yeah, depending on the class, I could see 50/50 as being realistic. But I think it will be about the same odds for Gonzo, and both guys should be forget-about-it locks.
I think you're being wildly pessimistic about Gonzo... it's gotta be at least 60/40. He's considered a superstar, and when you get in a room one day and break down everything that he's going to accomplish, I think he's got a strong chance. As long as the presenter hammers home the fact he redefined the position and took "pass catching TE" to a new level. Although they do discriminate against TE's, but there haven't been too many as important to an offense as TG.
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I think you're being wildly pessimistic about Gonzo... it's gotta be at least 60/40. He's considered a superstar, and when you get in a room one day and break down everything that he's going to accomplish, I think he's got a strong chance. As long as the presenter hammers home the fact he redefined the position and took "pass catching TE" to a new level. Although they do discriminate against TE's, but there haven't been too many as important to an offense as TG.
Perhaps. And I hope you're right.

But as soon as you start bringing up all these great attributes and pieces of praise, all richly deserved, it immediately forces us to return to the bottom line. With all these records and the on-field dominance, why couldn't he help lead that franchise to a single post-season win?

Again, I think it's garbage, but KC is also out of the media spotlight. Perhaps if he were the exact same player with the exact same team success in NY, his odds would be exponentially better.
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In my opinion, no.
I'm funning you.

I like to poke Denver fans about the chip on their shoulders about not having very many HOFers. I have seen many of them cry over Floyd not being in the Hall (not close to deserving IMO), so it has become my go-to move whenever anyone complains about why donkey X isn't in the HOF.

Few with Gradishar's pro bowl and all conference accolades have been kept out of the HOF. He should get in eventually.
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I think Gonzo has a better shot than Shields. Depends on how badly he smashes the record book though.
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Tony just set the all-time record for receiving yards in the Pro Bowl. THE PRO BOWL! You know how many hall of famers have played in the pro bowl? A lot!
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It's funny that Gonzo is probably playing his best football right now. He's a better blocker than he's ever been, his hands are like tar, and he's dragging defenders just like always.

If Gonzo can't do it, you can't get in on the first ballot on stats and personal achievement alone.

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Gonzo has media appeal. Moreso than the Chiefs or any other recent Chiefs player, anyhow.

I realize that QB and RB are sexier positions, and I don't know for sure, but I'll bet there are WRs in the hall with worse receiving stats than Gonzo. If he continues to pad his stats for two or three more years, his odds are good that he'll get in on first ballot, in my view.

As for Willie, the homer in me says he deserves it, but those are long odds.

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