Chiefs Teicher:Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates - Page 3

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 05:35 AM

Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan...

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html

Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick.

NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall.

“There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.”

Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor.

The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo.

While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem.

Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs.

“The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are.

“I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.”

Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out.

The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line.

With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down?

Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen.

“I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy.

“He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.”

Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!

El Jefe · 02-11-2009, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Jidar is here to hit us with his mind blowing assessment of what I said 10 years ago before I had the internet.

Cormac · 02-11-2009, 09:36 AM

There aren't many in that 10 that do much for me. I don't like the idea of drafting another OT after Albert looks very good at LT. I'd take Stafford but am not convinced about Sanchez yet. I don't think WR is the way to go right now unless one of those guys compares favourably to Calvin Johnson or somebody. Orakpo didn't impress me in the BCS Championship game. Knowshon Moreno seems legit, but hell no to Beanie Wells.

That leaves Stafford (likely gone), Moreno, Curry, or maybe a WR? Not too exciting, IMO.

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cormac

There aren't many in that 10 that do much for me. I don't like the idea of drafting another OT after Albert looks very good at LT. I'd take Stafford but am not convinced about Sanchez yet. I don't think WR is the way to go right now unless one of those guys compares favourably to Calvin Johnson or somebody. Orakpo didn't impress me in the BCS Championship game. Knowshon Moreno seems legit, but hell no to Beanie Wells.

That leaves Stafford (likely gone), Moreno, Curry, or maybe a WR? Not too exciting, IMO.

If this team takes a RB with a top 5 pick I'm giving up.

CoMoChief · 02-11-2009, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by KC Jones

If you look closely at the track record in New England, they never really went after big money risky prospects.

Mostly because they never drafted in the top 10 during his time there with exception of Mayo, who turned out to be pretty good.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-11-2009, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If this team takes a RB with a top 5 pick I'm giving up.

Eh, I'd be worried if Carl was still running the show. God knows who we'd end up with.

Two things you can count on with almost absolute certainty:

Pioli won't take a RB or RT at 3.

CoMoChief · 02-11-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Cormac

There aren't many in that 10 that do much for me. I don't like the idea of drafting another OT after Albert looks very good at LT. I'd take Stafford but am not convinced about Sanchez yet. I don't think WR is the way to go right now unless one of those guys compares favourably to Calvin Johnson or somebody. Orakpo didn't impress me in the BCS Championship game. Knowshon Moreno seems legit, but hell no to Beanie Wells.

That leaves Stafford (likely gone), Moreno, Curry, or maybe a WR? Not too exciting, IMO.

Thats why we need to trade down. This is not a strong top 10 class. Prob the weakest in quite some time.

I'd rather have Stafford than Sanchez if we go the QB route. But to be honest I'm not to thrilled about the QB class this season as well. But if we MUST get a QB this season then let if be Stafford, if DET takes him at #1, then say NO to Sanchez. Risking a #3 pick on someone who barely has college playing experience and is leaving college not because he's ready, but more so because of his stock in a weak QB class. His college coach is even saying that he's not ready. That's probably a better source of info than what most scouts can give.

Trade down, acquire more picks, theres less risk, and we have a lot of holes to fill. Lots of cap space to sign players etc. If this was a draft class that had no doubt hands down top3 talent, then I'd go after him, but this season I'm not seeing it, this is the weakest class of top talent in a while.

Just Passin' By · 02-11-2009, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Mostly because they never drafted in the top 10 during his time there with exception of Mayo, who turned out to be pretty good.

Pioli went to New England in 2000. Richard Seymour was the #6 pick in the 2001 draft.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 02-11-2009, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Trading out of 3 is just a piece of cake, where is this magical land you speak of is the road make of cake as well?

You've never heard of the Candyland League?! Betty Crocker Stadium?!

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Originally Posted by Brock

We need a quarterback. We're taking a quarterback. Deal with it.

This. And deal with it X 2!

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Originally Posted by Mecca

If this team takes a RB with a top 5 pick I'm giving up.

Uh oh, talk like that is upsetting to Spit Bubble. Beware the wrath of the TF!!!

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Originally Posted by CrazyHorse

It certainly means there is a small enough test sample for concern. You seem to be so ceratin he's (Sanchez) a slam dunk. It's a pretty risky proposition for the 3rd pick over all.

I will conceed however that I struggle to evaluate players the way you do. After 11 games you know everything there is to know about whether Thigpen can learn or play the pro game. Not only that, but now I've learned you have not only evaluated Sanchez after 16 games, but you have come to the conclusion, he can and will succeed at the pro level after only 16 games in college. Yeah, it's a no brainer. We're such fools.

You're special.

Did the possibility ever cross your cranium that when evaluating a college QB headed in to the Draft, we just might be placing a higher premium on form, mechanics, and ability as opposed to number of starts and W/L record?
A million starts as a college player does not mean you will do better in the pros. In the pros, everyone can bring it. That's why they're there.

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 09:55 AM

CoMo makes my brain hurt when he posts.

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 09:56 AM

And anyway the dudes who like Thigpen cause he's mobile should like Sanchez he can move around but seeing as he can actually take proper snaps and throw properly even on the run...

CanadaKC · 02-11-2009, 09:58 AM

It's Aaron Curry...and it's a no brainer

CoMoChief · 02-11-2009, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Pioli went to New England in 2000. Richard Seymour was the #6 pick in the 2001 draft.

I said "mostly"

Mecca · 02-11-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by CanadaKC

It's Aaron Curry...and it's a no brainer

.....Not this shit again...

OLB's are not worth top 5 picks period.

CoMoChief · 02-11-2009, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

CoMo makes my brain hurt when he posts.

You're love for Sanchez makes this whole board dumber and dumber.

You're ****ing nuts if you think he's worth the 3rd overall pick

Basileus777 · 02-11-2009, 10:05 AM

We probably can't trade down. The third pick is typically untradable as it is, but in this draft class I don't see anyone wanting to move up.

02-11-2009, 05:35 AM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	Teicher:Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates Who knew Mike Mayock was a true fan... http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1028585.html Chiefs should have a short list of top draft pick candidates By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Hundreds of players are available in this year’s NFL draft, but the Chiefs will have to investigate only a fraction of them when it comes to their first pick. NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock said only about 10 players are worthy of the Chiefs’ consideration with their top pick, which is third overall. “There’s probably a total of 10 guys they’ll have to look at and evaluate and then say, ‘OK, here’s our list one, two and three,’ ” Mayock said. “They know they’re getting one of those guys.” Mayock’s list is heavy on offensive players, which is unfortunate for a team that needs plenty of help on its defensive front seven. It includes quarterbacks Matt Stafford of Georgia and Mark Sanchez of Southern California, wide receivers Michael Crabtree of Texas Tech and Jeremy Maclin of Missouri, running backs Knowshon Moreno of Georgia and Chris Wells of Ohio State and offensive tackles Eugene Monroe of Virginia and Jason Smith of Baylor. The only defensive players are Wake Forest linebacker Aaron Curry and Texas defensive end Brian Orakpo. While the Chiefs are closer to being competitive on offense than defense, they have few positions where they couldn’t use some help. Perhaps the only one is cornerback, where rookies Brandon Carr and Brandon Flowers moved into the lineup last season and looked like part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Picking third, their highest position since taking Neil Smith with the second pick in 1988, would allow the Chiefs a chance at a long-elusive franchise quarterback. Stafford will likely be selected by Detroit with the first pick, but Sanchez could well be available to the Chiefs. “The potential franchise quarterback is the most important position on your team,” Mayock said. “If I’m building a franchise, the first thing I’m going to do is (investigate) the quarterback position. This year, the guys you better evaluate are Stafford and Sanchez. I’m not trying to tell you they should take them at (No.) 3. I’m saying they had better understand what they are. “I wish Sanchez went back (to USC) for another year. He needed another year. He’s a kid that only started 16 games, but he’s got the ability and the toughness and the arm strength and can learn the pro game and be a starter.” Moreno and Wells are the best of the running backs, and the Chiefs could be in the market for a featured back if they dispose of Larry Johnson, who is unhappy in Kansas City and wants out. The Chiefs drafted Branden Albert in the first round last year, and he looks like their left tackle for several seasons. That’s why the Chiefs probably wouldn’t seriously consider Monroe or Smith, but it’s not impossible because they could use an upgrade on the right side of their line. With so many other needs, wide receiver probably won’t be a priority. But faced with the opportunity of grabbing a playmaker like Crabtree or Maclin, could the Chiefs turn it down? Of all the players on Mayock’s list, Curry might make the most sense for the Chiefs. They didn’t get any reliable play from their linebackers last season and lacked a playmaker after trading Jared Allen. “I’m a big believer that Aaron Curry might be the safest pick in the entire draft,” Mayock said. “I hate to say that, but when you’re sitting at (No.) 3, the thing you can’t afford to do is make a mistake. Worst-case scenario: He’s got to be a good football player. Aaron Curry is that kind of guy. “He played (strong side) linebacker in college. He dominated the tight end. But I could very easily see him converting to a 3-4 outside linebacker because he can rush the passer well, he drops in coverage well. He’s a fifth-year kid. He’s mature. I just think he’s the safest guy out there.” Boy that's how I'd wanna make my picks based on the fear of a bust so I reach for a devalued position brilliant!
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Cormac Haley sceptic.... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: waiting it out....... Casino cash: $10004900	There aren't many in that 10 that do much for me. I don't like the idea of drafting another OT after Albert looks very good at LT. I'd take Stafford but am not convinced about Sanchez yet. I don't think WR is the way to go right now unless one of those guys compares favourably to Calvin Johnson or somebody. Orakpo didn't impress me in the BCS Championship game. Knowshon Moreno seems legit, but hell no to Beanie Wells. That leaves Stafford (likely gone), Moreno, Curry, or maybe a WR? Not too exciting, IMO.
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02-11-2009, 09:55 AM	#39
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	CoMo makes my brain hurt when he posts.
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-712950	And anyway the dudes who like Thigpen cause he's mobile should like Sanchez he can move around but seeing as he can actually take proper snaps and throw properly even on the run...
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CanadaKC Lord of the SB Rings Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Vancouver, B.C. Canada Casino cash: $5968668	It's Aaron Curry...and it's a no brainer
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