Chiefs Underclassmen QB's in the draft. - Page 3

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 02:09 PM

Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL.

Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity.

Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown.

Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round.

Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors.

I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police)

He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school.

He then hires his brother.

So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire?

I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter.

Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF?

Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez.

In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know.

There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.

kstater · 02-22-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

We have seen example after example of QB's coming out with little experience and flaming out in the NFL. Akili Smith was a senior, but actually had starting experience similar to that of Mark Sanchez.

It isn't just his lack of experience. It is his ability to handle the pressure of being a high first round guy and a 'savior' of a franchise.

For crying out loud, the kid looked tight at the combine today.

See, I am not 'trying' to bash the kid. I WANT to believe in him. I want the Chiefs to have a great QB. I want him to be worthy of the #3 pick.

But, every stone I uncover about him, I find another red flag.

I was really hoping to see him spin the ball well today at the combine and he was very dissapointing. I would have thought he had an arm like Marino from the gaga posters on this board.

He had a long delivery, a slow release, the balls didn't have a ton of zip on them AND he wasn't accurate.

All the things I thought were his 'positives'... he failed to deliver on today.

I just don't think he has the maturity to handle the NFL. I think his parents and his coaches know him better than we do... well, at least better than I do.

But, again, I am just trying to look at all angles.

I don't think a ILB is worth the #3 pick. I don't think a WR on this team is worth the #3 pick. I don't think a RT is worth the #3 pick.

However, I would rather have great players at those positions than a bust at QB in the name of attempting to draft a franchise QB.

JMO.

Do you think in a year or two he'll have the maturity to play in the NFL? Or is he a lifelong rapist.

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Akili Smith is a great comparison.

I know this is supremely unimportant, but what type of offense was Smith coming from again?

Oh yeah. Those little details can be a bitch sometimes.

To make sure this isn't obscured by being at the bottom of the page.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Well, to be fair, when making decisions, history is something that needs to be looked at. If there is completely overwhelming history as there is in this case, there better be NO questions, and I just don't see that being the case here.

Overwhelming history?

That list of QBs has three QBs who I believe were first round picks, of which only one, Alex Smith, might be considered to be on his way to busting.

Reerun_KC · 02-22-2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Overwhelming history?

That list of QBs has three QBs who I believe were first round picks, of which only one, Alex Smith, might be considered to be on his way to busting.

That would be considered overhelming?

**doomy3** · 02-22-2009, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Overwhelming history?

That list of QBs has three QBs who I believe were first round picks, of which only one, Alex Smith, might be considered to be on his way to busting.

Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001
Rex Grossman Florida 2003
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004
Aaron Rodgers California 2005
Alex Smith Utah 2005
Vince Young Texas 2006
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007

Well these are all first rounders, so there have been 7 actually since 1998. I would say that all but Ben and Rodgers have been pretty underwhelming, and the jury is still out on Russell.

**doomy3** · 02-22-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

That would be considered overhelming?

Well, if for once in your life you actually knew what you were talking about instead of immediately agreeing with one of about 5 posters, your opinion may actually mean something.

Reerun_KC · 02-22-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Well, if for once in your life you actually knew what you were talking about instead of immediately agreeing with one of about 5 posters, your opinion may actually mean something.

Coming from you, that actually means alot...

I failed to realize your opinion is well respected thoughout the NFL... Just like the rest of ours...

**doomy3** · 02-22-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Coming from you, that actually means alot...

I failed to realize your opinion is well respected thoughout the NFL... Just like the rest of ours...

Hmm, didn't think I said that at all. It's just funny to watch you follow posters who actually make a point, like Milkman, Mecca, Hamas, etc, and just post bullshit that doesn't mean anything at all.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

No, I called you names because you I made a couple of concessions in our debates, and you refused to even attempt to meet in the middle.

So, go fist yourself.

You 'concessions' were justifications about his poor performance today. The 'pressure' got to him. (That is what I want in a QB, someone who caves under the pressure of working out in shorts and a t-shirt).

I would go fist myself, but I've got my hands full... one hand is in your mom the other is in your sister.

**DeezNutz** · 02-22-2009, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Michael Vick Virginia Tech 2001
Rex Grossman Florida 2003
Ben Roethlisberger Miami (Ohio) 2004
Aaron Rodgers California 2005
Alex Smith Utah 2005
Vince Young Texas 2006
JaMarcus Russell LSU 2007

Well these are all first rounders, so there have been 7 actually since 1998. I would say that all but Ben and Rodgers have been pretty underwhelming, and the jury is still out on Russell.

You're making a very reductive argument here.

So, yes, at first glance one can say only Roethlisberger and Rogers are looking like strong selections. But let's factor in other elements, like the biggest one: what type of offense were these players running in college?

I'm sorry, anyone who couldn't see that Vince Young was going to be a ****ing disaster was a complete idiot, even more than Young himself with his 6 Wonderlic.

You can't just look at this list and say, "Yep. 33% change of success."

But even if you did do that type of half-ass analysis, 33% chance of landing a franchise QB is pretty damn good.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kstater

Do you think in a year or two he'll have the maturity to play in the NFL? Or is he a lifelong rapist.

I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

As far as the rapist goes, don't know. Maybe that is why he coming out, so he will have the money to buy the silence of the girls he sexually assaults.

For the record, that was a joke. I am sure that some will blow it out of proportion.

milkman · 02-22-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

You 'concessions' were justifications about his poor performance today. The 'pressure' got to him. (That is what I want in a QB, someone who caves under the pressure of working out in shorts and a t-shirt).

I would go fist myself, but I've got my hands full... one hand is in your mom the other is in your sister.

I also conceded that his workout could very well hurt his draft status, dumb****.

And just for the record, I chose not to answer your question who the agent is.

I was the one who first posted his name a couple of days ago.

ChiefsCountry · 02-22-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

I think he would be fine as a developmental prospect, but that isn't worth the #3 pick. #3 picks are supposed to be polished players that are ready to play this year, and be impact players next year.

For any position other than QB this should be the case.

**doomy3** · 02-22-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You're making a very reductive argument here.

So, yes, at first glance one can say only Roethlisberger and Rogers are looking like strong selections. But let's factor in other elements, like the biggest one: what type of offense were these players running in college?

I'm sorry, anyone who couldn't see that Vince Young was going to be a ****ing disaster was a complete idiot, even more than Young himself with his 6 Wonderlic.

You can't just look at this list and say, "Yep. 33% change of success."

But even if you did do that type of half-ass analysis, 33% chance of landing a franchise QB is pretty damn good.

I'm not attempting to make any kind of an argument on this subject. All I did in this thread was answer the original poster's question and post the facts of who was drafted, and then when Milkman said there were 3 first rounders, I pointed out there were 7. I mean, I understand what you are saying about what kind of offenses these guys were running in college and all that, but it is funny that the only one of these guys who has proven anything, Roethlisberger, also came from a spread offense, and he seems to be OK.

SenselessChiefsFan · 02-22-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

You're making a very reductive argument here.

So, yes, at first glance one can say only Roethlisberger and Rogers are looking like strong selections. But let's factor in other elements, like the biggest one: what type of offense were these players running in college?

I'm sorry, anyone who couldn't see that Vince Young was going to be a ****ing disaster was a complete idiot, even more than Young himself with his 6 Wonderlic.

You can't just look at this list and say, "Yep. 33% change of success."

But even if you did do that type of half-ass analysis, 33% chance of landing a franchise QB is pretty damn good.

Yet, neither of the guys that are successes, Rothlisberger and Rodgers were top five picks. Neither had that pressure to deal with.

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SenselessChiefsFan MVP Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $10005450	Underclassmen QB's in the draft. Okay, I know that Leaf was a junior. Probably the worst. Showed very quickly that he was not mature enough to make it in the NFL. Mike Vick came out as a Junior, but again, lacked maturity. Vince Young was a junior, and has had a mental breakdown. Aaron Rodgers was a junior, but he was taken later in the first round. Flacco and Ryan, last year's wonder rookies.... were both seniors. I see a lot of red flags from Sancez. He was arrested for sexual assault. (I know, this girl was just out for money.... only he was a couple years removed from going pro, and there was no way for her to profit from it at the time, and her mother was the one who called the police) He only has 16 games of experience and didn't listen to Pete Carroll or his parents that all advised him to go back to school. He then hires his brother. So, my question is, has anyone come into the NFL as a junior as a top ten pick that came in and set the NFL on fire? I mean, Aaron Rodgers was on the bench for three years prior to the Packers leaning on him as there starter. Do we want a three year waiting period for our QBOTF? Anyways, I think QB has to be the most level headed and mature position on the field. I see none of that in Sanchez. In fact, all I see is an arrogant primadonna that isn't smart enough to know what he doesn't know. There is probably a junior I am misisng. I would love it even more if there is a junior that has on 16 games starting experience and came in as a top pick and set the world on fire.
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