Chiefs Possible trades........... - Page 3

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-02-2009, 01:10 AM

IMO, it seems Pioli will try to get rid of all the Vermeil/Edward leftovers as possible for picks the players who have some value are probably gone are DJ,LJ,Thigpen and unfortunately Waters. I know most are very obvious, but the DJ trade is very likely due to he's a coverage Linebacker and his lackadaisical work ethic but he still has an assload of talent but no discipline.

veist · 03-02-2009, 04:07 AM

Dorsey can probably hack it at DE considering we were using him at under tackle and he wasn't getting put on his ass, maybe he can be Seymour. I wouldn't turn my nose up at that. Most being everyone not named Brandon Flowers?

tmax63 · 03-02-2009, 07:38 AM

I think DJ's fate is in the hands of Vrabel. If DJ wants to stay and learn from a "pro" then I think he could still reach his potential. If he cops an attitude like Waters did he outa here. And I think that's part of why Pioli got Vrabel mixed into the deal.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 07:41 AM

Vrabel was mixed into the deal because the Pats wanted to dump his salary, fortunately for him, he gets to be overpaid rather than being cut and signing somewhere for half of what he'd make this year, given that he's on the precipice of the glue factory.

**The Bad Guy** · 03-02-2009, 08:31 AM

I want to see DJ work with a coach other than Gunther Cunningham.

liljohn7 · 03-02-2009, 09:17 AM

The knock on DJ coming out of college was that he ran around blocks instead of taking on blockers and shedding them. That is the whole point of a 3 4 defense to keep the blockers off the linebackers. I think he will play much better with good coaching and a better system-
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RedThat · 03-02-2009, 09:23 AM

I wouldn't give up on the guy just yet. we're pretty thin at LB and going to a 3-4, you're gonna need LBer's and he's the best one on our roster right now imo. He has talent no question about it. But like some of you guys said, it's his work ethic at times thats been inconsistent. That's why I think adding a guy like Vrabel is a big thing because it teaches the young guys like DJ to work on other aspects of their game that need improvement.

I agree he had lousy coaches to work with. Sometimes players do well whenever there is a change in the environment around them. Maybe thats what DJ needs?

Shox · 03-02-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

A LB taken at the 15th pick should be significantly more productive than he is.

Nobody is going to be as productive as they should be in a Herm Edwards defense. His philoshopy is to sit back read and try not to get burned. It allows the offense to dictate to the defense.

When are people going to realize Herm did put his team in the position to have sucess. The Chiefs 2008 defense should have been about 20th if not as high as 15th if they would have had quality coaching. I know there is no way to prove this, but I truely believe it would have been so.

Watch how much better players some of these guys become in 2009.

**BigRedChief** · 03-02-2009, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Vrabel was mixed into the deal because the Pats wanted to dump his salary, fortunately for him, he gets to be overpaid rather than being cut and signing somewhere for half of what he'd make this year, given that he's on the precipice of the glue factory.

and cap space is not an issue with us. Veterans who can provide leadership and know how to win? We need boatloads of that in the locker room.

boogblaster · 03-02-2009, 10:30 AM

DJ can play as well as anyone ... what he becomes is the question .. maybe another team will be what opens his eyes ... that said , I hate to see him go without at least one year under a good coachin system ..

**doomy3** · 03-02-2009, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

He has value, because of his youth but doesn't have attitude or work ethic to be on a winning team. Hell Gunther and Herm have said that he loses focus and gets lazy during games. Who the **** gets lazy during games, the guy is getting away with this because of his talent and part of the reason why KC was always in the bottom half of league defensively.

Do you have a link for this? I don't remember hearing this.

Mr. Krab · 03-02-2009, 10:55 AM

He will get rid of players as he has a chance to upgrade that position. There is no reason get rid of anyone before that

**Tribal Warfare** · 03-02-2009, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

Do you have a link for this? I don't remember hearing this.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/1...E2%80%99s-move

**doomy3** · 03-02-2009, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2008/1...E2%80%99s-move

I think you are taking those comments out of context. I'm not defending DJ, but it sounds like what Herm is saying there is that because of his move to MLB, he had to focus on things like checks, etc that he didn't have to worry about at OLB. I don't think he was saying that DJ lacks focus.

philfree · 03-02-2009, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by doomy3

I think you are taking those comments out of context. I'm not defending DJ, but it sounds like what Herm is saying there is that because of his move to MLB, he had to focus on things like checks, etc that he didn't have to worry about at OLB. I don't think he was saying that DJ lacks focus.

I didn't read the word lackadaisical any where on that link.

PhilFree

03-02-2009, 01:10 AM
Tribal Warfare Man of Culture Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Far Beyond Comprehension Casino cash: $-2997187	Possible trades........... IMO, it seems Pioli will try to get rid of all the Vermeil/Edward leftovers as possible for picks the players who have some value are probably gone are DJ,LJ,Thigpen and unfortunately Waters. I know most are very obvious, but the DJ trade is very likely due to he's a coverage Linebacker and his lackadaisical work ethic but he still has an assload of talent but no discipline.
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03-02-2009, 04:07 AM	#31
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liljohn7 Rookie Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $10004900	The knock on DJ coming out of college was that he ran around blocks instead of taking on blockers and shedding them. That is the whole point of a 3 4 defense to keep the blockers off the linebackers. I think he will play much better with good coaching and a better system- Posted via Mobile Device
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03-02-2009, 09:23 AM	#36
RedThat Banned Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Casino cash: $10004900	I wouldn't give up on the guy just yet. we're pretty thin at LB and going to a 3-4, you're gonna need LBer's and he's the best one on our roster right now imo. He has talent no question about it. But like some of you guys said, it's his work ethic at times thats been inconsistent. That's why I think adding a guy like Vrabel is a big thing because it teaches the young guys like DJ to work on other aspects of their game that need improvement. I agree he had lousy coaches to work with. Sometimes players do well whenever there is a change in the environment around them. Maybe thats what DJ needs?
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boogblaster MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Verdigris Valley Campsite Casino cash: $10004900	DJ can play as well as anyone ... what he becomes is the question .. maybe another team will be what opens his eyes ... that said , I hate to see him go without at least one year under a good coachin system .. __________________ WR or S please
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03-02-2009, 10:55 AM	#41
Mr. Krab Big Red Nuts Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $10004900	He will get rid of players as he has a chance to upgrade that position. There is no reason get rid of anyone before that
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