Chiefs Bill Simmons talks with Mike Lombardi about quarterbacks and free agency

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 04:21 PM

It's on the front page of ESPN.com under the Simmons header.

It's funny to listen to these guys talk about Cassel, Thigpen, other QBs, etc.

They talk about Cassel pretty quickly, they discuss Thigpen at about 33:30. There's even a Dick Curl jab by Lombardi in there.

I don't agree with their takes, but it's an interesting listen if you have 50 minutes of time.

http://sports.espn.go.com/stations/player?id=3946593

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 04:35 PM

Simmons likes the Chiefs at 100-1 as a SB long shot.
Lombardi says that Curry can rush the passer (which is why he's a former GM) and he likes the Rams as a long shot.

ncCHIEFfan · 03-02-2009, 04:39 PM

What...? SB! When?

BradyFTW! · 03-02-2009, 04:59 PM

I could maybe buy the Chiefs as a SB longshot if they get a WR and some serious OL help, but the Rams? Hahaha wtf?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-02-2009, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

I could maybe buy the Chiefs as a SB longshot if they get a WR and some serious OL help, but the Rams? Hahaha wtf?

The Rams are a hell of a lot closer to a SB right now than we are.

BradyFTW! · 03-02-2009, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

The Rams are a hell of a lot closer to a SB right now than we are.

I don't see it.

An over-30, injury-prone QB whose QB rating hasn't made it out of the low 70s in 2 years, crappy WRs (even if Holt is back next season, he's old)... they do have a good O-Line that's going to get better with whoever they draft, but I doubt they'll win anything with Bulger at QB. You can't win with no offense anymore. Tennessee came as close as you can last season, and that was with a dominant D.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-02-2009, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

I don't see it.

Of course you don't.

They're only in better shape at every position except LT, WR1, TE and CB.

BradyFTW! · 03-02-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course you don't.

They're only in better shape at every position except LT, WR1, TE and CB.

and QB. Those are pretty important positions. Are they also better at ballboy, long-snapper, and strength trainer?

Bill Lundberg · 03-02-2009, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course you don't.

They're only in better shape at every position except LT, WR1, TE and CB.

It's like arguing over which turd smells less... For the record we're better at LG as well.

Skyy God · 03-02-2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course you don't.

They're only in better shape at every position except LT, WR1, TE and CB.

Really, Bulger's a better QB than Cassel?

The only thing Alex "False Start" Barron has over our RTs is his 1st round draft status.

I could go on.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 03-02-2009, 05:52 PM

The Rams are going to have a badass left side of the line after the draft and FA.

Say Pace doesn't play a snap or is cut:

#1 LT, Bell, Brown all next to one another. Add that to Donnie Avery and Steven Jackson on O, plus a pretty decent chance that a guy like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt is available at #35, and you've got a solid core if you can keep Bulger upright.

On defense they have Chris Long (who whipped Jake's ass last year), Carriker, Will Witherspoon, and OJ Atogwe (probably the most underrated safety in the league).

That team isn't that far away.

Skyy God · 03-02-2009, 06:02 PM

I like the idea of somehow finagling a low 2nd (possibly by packaging a 3rd or Waters and a lower pick) and trying to sign Lance Moore to an unmatchable contract. Double down on 2008 breakout players.

BryanBusby · 03-02-2009, 06:12 PM

The Rams going 2-14 for a 2nd year in a row wasn't a mistake, nor directly due to coaching. They really do suck that bad. Trying to figure out if they or the Chiefs are better is a moot point. They both are awful, the end.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 03-02-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

The Rams going 2-14 for a 2nd year in a row wasn't a mistake, nor directly due to coaching. They really do suck that bad. Trying to figure out if they or the Chiefs are better is a moot point. They both are awful, the end.

Sorry, Bryan but I disagree.

The Rams have been the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL since DV left. Yes, even more dysfunctional than the Lions.

They have a LOT of talent on that team, and I'm betting Spagnuolo gets that talent out of them - something Linehan and Haslett couldn't do.

Add in Billy Devaney, and they are going to continue to stockpile good young talent.

BryanBusby · 03-02-2009, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Sorry, Bryan but I disagree.

The Rams have been the most dysfunctional franchise in the NFL since DV left. Yes, even more dysfunctional than the Lions.

They have a LOT of talent on that team, and I'm betting Spagnuolo gets that talent out of them - something Linehan and Haslett couldn't do.

Add in Billy Devaney, and they are going to continue to stockpile good young talent.

Where? I'd like to know. They are just as lacking in talent and that is clear as day when you see they are still throwing out guys from the Super Bowl run as starts, even though they are clearly done. Avery is so promising he couldn't even beat out Dante Hall on the depth chart.

The Rams have a couple of quality players mixed in with players ready for the retirement home and a 60 million dollar mistake at QB.

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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7129572	The Rams are going to have a badass left side of the line after the draft and FA. Say Pace doesn't play a snap or is cut: #1 LT, Bell, Brown all next to one another. Add that to Donnie Avery and Steven Jackson on O, plus a pretty decent chance that a guy like Hakeem Nicks or Kenny Britt is available at #35, and you've got a solid core if you can keep Bulger upright. On defense they have Chris Long (who whipped Jake's ass last year), Carriker, Will Witherspoon, and OJ Atogwe (probably the most underrated safety in the league). That team isn't that far away. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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