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Old 04-25-2009, 07:51 PM  
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:14 PM   #31
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I'll be honest I know I'm guilty of this Jackson has been on TV alot as a high profile player especially with as high as Dorsey went last year..

The thing you find yourself doing atleast I know I did is, who is this fat ****er playing end that can't get any sacks? Then of course we don't factor in he's a 300lb dude playing 4-3 end and he won't do that here.
If this defense is ever going to be good again, it's going to be because of him and Dorsey (and Tank), even if they're not the ones getting the stats. Which is why I'm honestly a lot happier with this pick than I would have been with someone like Curry or any of the other linebackers.

The person who may benefit most from this is Derrick Johnson.

Although I don't know how in the world they got Zach Thomas to come here if they're really going to a 3-4.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:14 PM   #32
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Nope, the whole day has been a complete "bleh".
I wish the Chiefs would have spent more time entertaining you on draft day than trying to improve the team and win games. How dare they.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:19 PM   #33
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These last two years have been kinda similar to 88/89. Both top 5 picks, and the second year was when the new regime came in.
What does that mean?

So you think Dorsey and Jackson will = N Smith and DT?

Perhaps, but we are talking completely different types of players.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:20 PM   #34
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What does that mean?

So you think Dorsey and Jackson will = N Smith and DT?

Perhaps, but we are talking completely different types of players.
Not the players just the situation.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:20 PM   #35
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If this defense is ever going to be good again, it's going to be because of him and Dorsey (and Tank), even if they're not the ones getting the stats. Which is why I'm honestly a lot happier with this pick than I would have been with someone like Curry or any of the other linebackers.

The person who may benefit most from this is Derrick Johnson.

Although I don't know how in the world they got Zach Thomas to come here if they're really going to a 3-4.
Well, two things... Zach Thomas played in a 3-4 last year in Dallas. Secondly, a 3-4 defense makes complete sense for him. Many have questioned if he's a little soft to be an aggressive LB--throughout his career. In a 3-4, he can be a pass coverage specialist, which is his forte. What surprises me more is that Thomas plays a role that I think is better suited for DJ. I think what's most likely is that the Chiefs run a hybrid for one year and Thomas plays 4-3 LB. It's a stopgap solution.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:22 PM   #36
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:23 PM   #37
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Not the players just the situation.
Perhaps.....i would guess that Carl and Marty had alot more talent when they came in than what Pioli and Haley have to work with, but that may be more perception than reality.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:25 PM   #38
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I'd like to have seen Todd a bit more enthusiastic about Dorsey in that interview. He had a bunch of good things to say about Cassell. But with Dorsey he barely stopped short of calling him a bum.

Dorsey will be a difference maker for us this year, one way or another. If he doesn't play like the 5th overall pick soon, that will really set the franchise back.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:29 PM   #39
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I didn't say it would work but that's what I think they're gonna try.

Wouldn't be surprised if they took Jarron Gilbert tomorrow to be the other end.

If Dorsey bombed they could take Terrence Cody next year.
I can absolutely see this happening. Locking up the 2 top 3-4 ends in the draft would go a long way in building the D.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:31 PM   #40
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Well, two things... Zach Thomas played in a 3-4 last year in Dallas. Secondly, a 3-4 defense makes complete sense for him. Many have questioned if he's a little soft to be an aggressive LB--throughout his career. In a 3-4, he can be a pass coverage specialist, which is his forte. What surprises me more is that Thomas plays a role that I think is better suited for DJ. I think what's most likely is that the Chiefs run a hybrid for one year and Thomas plays 4-3 LB. It's a stopgap solution.
You misunderstand why I said that - Thomas absolutely hated playing 3-4 last year. I don't think he'd have come here if that was the position he expected to be put into again.

There's an interview with him about it on here someone, if you want to try and dig it up.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:32 PM   #41
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I'd like to have seen Todd a bit more enthusiastic about Dorsey in that interview. He had a bunch of good things to say about Cassell. But with Dorsey he barely stopped short of calling him a bum.

Dorsey will be a difference maker for us this year, one way or another. If he doesn't play like the 5th overall pick soon, that will really set the franchise back.
It's very possible Dorsey doesn't have a spot on this team...they're going to give him a chance to see if he can fit into the scheme.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:35 PM   #42
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I'd like to have seen Todd a bit more enthusiastic about Dorsey in that interview. He had a bunch of good things to say about Cassell. But with Dorsey he barely stopped short of calling him a bum.

Dorsey will be a difference maker for us this year, one way or another. If he doesn't play like the 5th overall pick soon, that will really set the franchise back.
I don't think he was prepared for that question. He gave a lot of answers that were almost verbatim what was said during the press conference, so I think he'd been coached up on what to say, and it looked like Dorsey wasn't part of it.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:40 PM   #43
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You misunderstand why I said that - Thomas absolutely hated playing 3-4 last year. I don't think he'd have come here if that was the position he expected to be put into again.

There's an interview with him about it on here someone, if you want to try and dig it up.
Thomas hated playing in DALLAS' 3-4. It's different than say, Pittsburgh's. And we still don't know how we're going to implement it.
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Old 04-25-2009, 08:46 PM   #44
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I can absolutely see this happening. Locking up the 2 top 3-4 ends in the draft would go a long way in building the D.
We'll see. There was a lot of talk pre-draft that scouts were wondering if he actually gave a shit about football.
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Thomas hated playing in DALLAS' 3-4. It's different than say, Pittsburgh's. And we still don't know how we're going to implement it.
There were actually stories that Thomas hated the BS and soap opera drama surrounding the Cowboys, and he just said "I'm not sure I fit here in this scheme" to avoid trashing the team on his way out. That's how some people covering the Cowboys took it, anyway. By the last 1/4th of the season, supposedly it wasn't a secret that Thomas couldn't wait to get out of there.

Probably nobody but him knows for sure, though.
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