Teicher: Offense is the Chiefs' biggest problem

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I went to the Chiefs’ first full offseason practice wondering more about their defense, but I left with more questions about the offense.

Let’s start with the offensive line: Very thin without Brian Waters there. They’ve got two starters who are over 30 — Damion McIntosh is 32, Mike Goff is 33 — and both those guys had better hold up or the Chiefs might be in some trouble. Very thin as far as depth; very few proven experienced guys as backups.

The receiving group without Tony Gonzalez: I’m wondering, like everybody else, how that’s going to all play out. Dwayne Bowe dropped some balls and made some nice catches also, but he looked a lot like the Dwayne Bowe we saw last year. The Chiefs really need him to be more consistent because you’ve got Mark Bradley and Bobby Engram behind him. Engram is 36. Not a lot of depth there, either.

The running game with Larry Johnson: You’ve heard me say before the Chiefs need Johnson. He’s their running game. I didn’t really see a guy who’s capable of handling the every-down load like Johnson is. They used Jamaal Charles like they did last year as a third-down back.

Matt Cassel didn’t have one of his better days, but he’s the least of the Chiefs’ concerns right now. It was a windy day; I’ve seen him throw indoors since joining the Chiefs at an earlier minicamp, and there’s no problem with Matt Cassel.

Chan Gailey: I have a lot of respect for him. He did a great job turning the offense around last year after a rotten start and all the quarterback problems. But he’s going to have to earn his money again this year, because there are a lot of issues with the Chiefs offensively.

http://www.kansascity.com/sports/chi...y/1206906.html


Not sure if this is a repost or not, but very interesting considering our defense was 2nd worst in the league last year. Your thoughts?

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Claythan

That's a terrible statistic to use.

Cassel played in more games. Hello?

Um, yeah. That's my point. That's why I'm dividing by the number of games played.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Um, yeah. That's my point. That's why I'm dividing by the number of games played.

You shouldn't divide.

If Thigpen played the same number of games as Cassel, he'd turn it over more.

End of story.

[L.A. Chieffan]

Tell me Claythan, do you think the Chief's offense is becoming too...commerical?

I read that.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Claythan

You shouldn't divide.

If Thigpen played the same number of games as Cassel, he'd turn it over more.

End of story.

Yes, I said Thigpen turns it over more. I'm not denying that. My point is that they really aren't that dissimilar in turnover ratio, so to call Thigpen any more turnover prone than Cassel is inaccurate.

[Cormac]

Originally Posted by Claythan

You shouldn't divide.

Two words: PER GAME

Way to miss the point.

[FAX]

It's far too early to determine whether or not the offense is going to be effective. Teicher should know that. It's not even June, bug.

I do think, however, that we're going to miss #88 a lot more than some peeps realize. We've relied on that guy for clutch catches, first downs, and drawing double teams for a whole lot of years. It's going to be like a black hole in the Chiefs passing game. Or, for the more politically correct among us, a hole of indeterminate color.

FAX

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by FAX

It's far too early to determine whether or not the offense is going to be effective. Teicher should know that. It's not even June, bug.

I do think, however, that we're going to miss #88 a lot more than some peeps realize. We've relied on that guy for clutch catches, first downs, and drawing double teams for a whole lot of years. It's going to be like a black hole in the Chiefs passing game. Or, for the more politically correct among us, a hole of indeterminate color.

FAX

the last time we lost one of our best players (Jared Allen) the defense went from 13th to 31st.

If Gonzo and Waters are gone, I would expect a similar drop, except we don't have as far to fall this time.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Cormac

Two words: PER GAME

Way to miss the point.

No, you have missed the point.

The statistics bear out that if Thigpen and Cassel threw an equal number of passes, over the course of a season, Thigpen would turn the ball over more.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by Claythan

No, you have missed the point.

The statistics bear out that if Thigpen and Cassel threw an equal number of passes, over the course of a season, Thigpen would turn the ball over more.

Sure.

0.0625 more turnovers per game, according to the very small sample size.

[kcbubb]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Sure.

0.0625 more turnovers per game, according to the very small sample size.

and very similar supporting staffs!

[FAX]

Originally Posted by MoreLemonPledge

Cassel attempted 32.25 passes per game with 0.9375 turnovers/game.

Thigpen attempted 30 passes per game with an even 1 turnover/game.

In turnovers/pass attempt per game, you can't really get much similar.

I think I understand what you're saying, Mr. MoreLemonPledge. You just need to expand the numbers in order to reach a statistically significant sample.

For example, assuming that both Cassel and Thigpen were to each throw a total of 7,433 passes of between 5 and 50 yards, Cassel would be intercepted 74 times, while Thigpen would be intercepted 4,021 times, run out of bounds 23 times, call timeout 62 times, attempt to punt the football 511 times, and, on 980 occasions, heave the rock left-handed out of the back of the enemy end zone. Correct?

FAX

[Blick]

Originally Posted by bobbything

I like how Teicher suggests that he's not worried about Cassel's shaky performance(s) in the wind because he's "seen him throw indoors." Might be a valid reason if we played 8 games in a dome.

News flash, Arrowhead is a windy stadium.

He played outside in New England. I think he'll be fine. I don't think Arrowhead is that windy, either.

[KC Dan]

When the Chiefs start stopping the run, I will start worrying about the offense.

[MoreLemonPledge]

Originally Posted by FAX

I think I understand what you're saying, Mr. MoreLemonPledge. You just need to expand the numbers in order to reach a statistically significant sample.

For example, assuming that both Cassel and Thigpen were to each throw a total of 7,433 passes of between 5 and 50 yards, Cassel would be intercepted 74 times, while Thigpen would be intercepted 4,021 times, run out of bounds 23 times, call timeout 62 times, attempt to punt the football 511 times, and, on 980 occasions, heave the rock left-handed out of the back of the enemy end zone. Correct?

FAX

I think you're my favorite.

[RNR]

Originally Posted by FAX

I think I understand what you're saying, Mr. MoreLemonPledge. You just need to expand the numbers in order to reach a statistically significant sample.

For example, assuming that both Cassel and Thigpen were to each throw a total of 7,433 passes of between 5 and 50 yards, Cassel would be intercepted 74 times, while Thigpen would be intercepted 4,021 times, run out of bounds 23 times, call timeout 62 times, attempt to punt the football 511 times, and, on 980 occasions, heave the rock left-handed out of the back of the enemy end zone. Correct?

FAX

When Thigpen has a chance to run the Patriots offense you will be able to compare them more fairly.