Chiefs When I said I would be OK with taking Eugene Monroe at #3 - Page 3

ILChief · 08-30-2009, 08:28 PM

all I heard was that you don't take a right tackle that high. Does everyone still feel that way now that our franchise QB is a punching bag?

Jerm · 08-30-2009, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Such ignorance. RTs have regenerative effect on the players around them. If we had Monroe, we wouldn't have to worry about injuries for the next 10 years.

How is it ignorance? Shit happens, injuries happen...its ****ing football.

Is the Pats O-line terrible because Pollard injured Brady on a freak play?

This serious overreaction is amusing...the entire **** Scott Pioli BS and this.

You could've had anyone playing RT, RG, or anywhere else and that still could've happened.
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WildTurkey · 08-30-2009, 08:44 PM

Everyone knows you have to have nothing but High Draft Picks and Big money FA's on the line to win a Superbowl it's the only way

milkman · 08-30-2009, 08:44 PM

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I'm not sure what the entire acronym stands for, but the first two letters are looking like, "True Fan..."

G is for General.

tk13 · 08-30-2009, 08:45 PM

I don't think it's quite as easy to just plug a 2nd day pick in there at RT. I think we would've needed to trade down to justify taking an O-lineman. I wouldn't have been against it. I thought we needed to do a lot of work on the O-line in order to draft Sanchez.

But there are just so many holes. Our defense was atrocious. I think Jackson is going to be alright, and if we didn't take him we'd be sitting here saying "Why didn't we address the defense of a team that set a league record for fewest sacks?"

Basileus777 · 08-30-2009, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

How is it ignorance? Shit happens, injuries happen...its ****ing football.

Is the Pats O-line terrible because Pollard injured him on a freak play?

This serious overreaction is amusing...the entire **** Scott Pioli BS and this.

You could've had anyone playing RT, RG, or anywhere else and that still could've happened.
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Dude, I was being sarcastic. This is what it's come to. Even joke posts about how RTs heal the players around them are taken seriously.

TFG · 08-30-2009, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

How is it ignorance? Shit happens, injuries happen...its ****ing football.

Is the Pats O-line terrible because Pollard injured him on a freak play?

This serious overreaction is amusing...the entire **** Scott Pioli BS and this.

You could've had anyone playing RT, RG, or anywhere else and that still could've happened.
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There are historical facts about great OLs staying healthy as units, and that has a lot to do with the "roll up" that happens when the "other" OT whiffs. Having a stiff at ORT makes keeping Albert and Waters "healthy" that much less probable.

**DeezNutz** · 08-30-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

I don't think it's quite as easy to just plug a 2nd day pick in there at RT. I think we would've needed to trade down to justify taking an O-lineman. I wouldn't have been against it. I thought we needed to do a lot of work on the O-line in order to draft Sanchez.

But there are just so many holes. Our defense was atrocious. I think Jackson is going to be alright, and if we didn't take him we'd be sitting here saying "Why didn't we address the defense of a team that set a league record for fewest sacks?"

Or let him sit a year.

Jerm · 08-30-2009, 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Basileus777

Dude, I was being sarcastic. This is what it's come to. Even joke posts about how RTs heal the players around them are taken seriously.

My bad, I apologize.

Well that us for anyone who was serious lol.

Long day. :-)
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Coogs · 08-30-2009, 08:49 PM

This was not a one year fix. As of right now, we are giving up less than 16 points a game on the defensive side. I like the picks we made.

We have a solid LT, which is key. You don't need other high draft picks on the O-line other than at the LT spot. You need the other guys to be good, but not HOFers. Guys like a Darryl Harris show up on Super Bowl O-lines all of the time. Maybe he is our teams find... no matter how he got here.

tk13 · 08-30-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Or let him sit a year.

I wouldn't have a problem with it. But the sad reality is nobody has that much patience anymore. Coaches, front offices, fans... it's a win now league. You would've had people calling for Sanchez to start by week 4, especially with Thigpen running around doing his thing. Even if it stunts someone's development or gets them killed.

**dirk digler** · 08-30-2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

But there are just so many holes. Our defense was atrocious. I think Jackson is going to be alright, and if we didn't take him we'd be sitting here saying "Why didn't we address the defense of a team that set a league record for fewest sacks?"

I agree. The Chiefs should have went after some of the OL during FA or used alot of their draft picks to pick them. To just ignore them was stupid just like when Herm and Carl ignored it as well.

I haven't quite figure out why for 2 straight years why 2 separate groups of people can't see the obvious? It defies logic IMO.

chiefzilla1501 · 08-30-2009, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

That's just absolutely nuts. If you have one and can get two and lock them up, do it. It isn't a question of high picks or money. Two top OTs mean a lot more than filling two roster spots. They mean better rushing, higher probabilty of keeping QB healthy (as well as each other healthy, as when one OT whiffs, the other is in danger of getting rolled up - why the great OLs always tended to STAY HEALTHY). No brainer.

Tyson Jackson is Brett Kiesel with dreds...

Monroe is a franchise OT.

If Tyson Jackson is Brett Kiesel, then it's an outstanding pick. Kiesel is a critical piece to the Steelers' defense which, in case you haven't checked, is pretty darn good.

I agree with you that the right side of the o-line needed to be improved. But so did our D-line. And here's a simple truth: getting a quality D-linemen outside of the first round is a crapshoot. Getting a good Guard, Center, and/or Right Tackle outside of the first round isn't that hard to do. Especially given that the best Centers and Guards are rarely ever taken in the top 25.

Basileus777 · 08-30-2009, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by TFG

There are historical facts about great OLs staying healthy as units, and that has a lot to do with the "roll up" that happens when the "other" OT whiffs. Having a stiff at ORT makes keeping Albert and Waters "healthy" that much less probable.

Would you care to give us these historical facts?

RJ · 08-30-2009, 09:01 PM

It is common knowledge that quarterbacks are only injured from the left side of the field. You can find a serviceable right tackle if you scout the fast food joints and convenience stores.

TFG · 08-30-2009, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

If Tyson Jackson is Brett Kiesel, then it's an outstanding pick. Kiesel is a critical piece to the Steelers' defense which, in case you haven't checked, is pretty darn good.

I agree with you that the right side of the o-line needed to be improved. But so did our D-line. And here's a simple truth: getting a quality D-linemen outside of the first round is a crapshoot. Getting a good Guard, Center, and/or Right Tackle outside of the first round isn't that hard to do.

Geez...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brett_Keisel

"Keisel was selected by the Pittsburgh Steelers in the seventh round (242nd overall)"

If interior and ORTs were so easy to come by, why does "genius" Pioli not have JACK to show for year 1 save a TRYOUT PLAYER?

08-30-2009, 08:28 PM
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08-30-2009, 08:45 PM	#34
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1687500	I don't think it's quite as easy to just plug a 2nd day pick in there at RT. I think we would've needed to trade down to justify taking an O-lineman. I wouldn't have been against it. I thought we needed to do a lot of work on the O-line in order to draft Sanchez. But there are just so many holes. Our defense was atrocious. I think Jackson is going to be alright, and if we didn't take him we'd be sitting here saying "Why didn't we address the defense of a team that set a league record for fewest sacks?"
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08-30-2009, 08:49 PM	#39
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2055651	This was not a one year fix. As of right now, we are giving up less than 16 points a game on the defensive side. I like the picks we made. We have a solid LT, which is key. You don't need other high draft picks on the O-line other than at the LT spot. You need the other guys to be good, but not HOFers. Guys like a Darryl Harris show up on Super Bowl O-lines all of the time. Maybe he is our teams find... no matter how he got here.
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08-30-2009, 09:01 PM	#44
RJ Supporter Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: In a shotgun shack Casino cash: $9895202	It is common knowledge that quarterbacks are only injured from the left side of the field. You can find a serviceable right tackle if you scout the fast food joints and convenience stores.
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