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Old 09-10-2009, 02:48 PM  
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http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl..._semenya_.html


Caster Semenya, forced to take gender test, is a woman ... and a man

BY Oren Yaniv
DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITER

Thursday, September 10th 2009, 1:50 PM

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...#ixzz0QjseO07f



Tests show that controversial runner Caster Semenya is a woman ...and a man!

The 18-year-old South African champ has no womb or ovaries and her testosterone levels are more than three times higher than those of a normal female, according to reports.

The tests, ordered by The International Association of Athletics Federations after Semenya's 800-meter victory in the World Championships, determined she's a hermaphrodite - having both male and female organs.

Semenya could be stripped of the gold medal she won in Berlin last month and her competitive future is in limbo, according to Australia's Daily Telegraph.

The athletics governing body is also expected to advise her to have surgery to fix the potentially deadly condition, the paper reported. The IAAF would not comment on the results that have yet to be released.

According to a source with knowledge of the IAAF tests, Semenya has internal testes - the male sexual organs that produce testosterone.

Testosterone is a hormone responsible for building muscles and for producing body hair and a deep voice.

Confirmation of the test results is sure to stoke the controversy that erupted after the university student's sensational track triumph.

She has been embraced in her home country - where she was declared "our girl" - and appeared on a magazine cover after a feminine makeover.

"God made me the way I am and I accept myself. I am who I am and I'm proud of myself," she told You Magazine, which ran a photo spread.

"I don't want to talk about the tests. I'm not even thinking about them."
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:27 PM   #31
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The testosterone levels fall with the range for women. What's the problem?

Are you guys advocating taking away medals from competitors that have physical attributes others can't achieve like lung function, etc?
Agreed. She is a woman and should keep the medals.
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:28 PM   #32
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Agreed. She is a woman and should keep the medals.
She's not a woman.

No ovaries, no womb. She has ingrown testicles.

That's a man, Baybee!
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:32 PM   #33
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OK...little bit of anatomy/biology for some of you. EVERY person starts out female.... what makes you male, if you are male, is that the ovaries drop down and become your balls, your clitoris grows to become your penis. The clitoris on the female is essentially the head of a penis....the shaft of a penis, the vagina. If a person has balls that haven't descended, then, she can't be male or female, thus the distinction, hermaphrodite......
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:32 PM   #34
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Wow. I had a dog named Stinky who was a hermaphrodite once.
What was Stinky the rest of the time?
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:33 PM   #35
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What was Stinky the rest of the time?
good call. I owned him once, he was hermaphrodite all the time.
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:37 PM   #36
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:42 PM   #37
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OK...little bit of anatomy/biology for some of you. EVERY person starts out female.... what makes you male, if you are male, is that the ovaries drop down and become your balls, your clitoris grows to become your penis. The clitoris on the female is essentially the head of a penis....the shaft of a penis, the vagina. If a person has balls that haven't descended, then, she can't be male or female, thus the distinction, hermaphrodite......
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:49 PM   #38
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I'll take Shit I'd Just As Soon Not Know About for $1,000, Alex.
I found the information quite empowering.
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:52 PM   #39
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OK...little bit of anatomy/biology for some of you. EVERY person starts out female.... what makes you male, if you are male, is that the ovaries drop down and become your balls, your clitoris grows to become your penis. The clitoris on the female is essentially the head of a penis....the shaft of a penis, the vagina. If a person has balls that haven't descended, then, she can't be male or female, thus the distinction, hermaphrodite......
Jilly, that's a myth. It's a fuzzy topic, but it's definitely known that the Y chromosome comes from the sperm. Sperm can contain either an X or Y chromosome.

http://www.pregnancy.org/fetaldevelopment

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/gender/dete_nf02.html
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:58 PM   #40
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It says hers are 3x the level of the other women..
I'm assuming this post from this thread was accurate: http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....6&postcount=15
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Old 09-10-2009, 03:59 PM   #41
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:17 PM   #42
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I'm assuming this post from this thread was accurate: http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....6&postcount=15
Why would you assume that? I see nothing there with a link to such information, and the story claims that she/he could be stripped of her/his medal.
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Old 09-10-2009, 04:17 PM   #43
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I'm assuming this post from this thread was accurate: http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....6&postcount=15
Obviously that's the take of the South Africa or wherever the post came from, I do not see a link.. But I bet she she ends up losing the medals and is banned from competing UNTIL the Testes are removed and her testosterone levels come down.. I guess I do not see how her hormones are high for guys but within guidelines of females that does not make sense, especially over scrutiny that male athletes receive with higher levels of hormones then normal??
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